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| zorglu1 | q. i have a question about the creative common license, when an author releases its work under cc, can he change the license later ? something like 'ok i first release this work under cc but now i decided to change the license and you are no more allowed to use it' ? | 10:47 |
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| zorglu1 | http://creativecommons.org/faq#What_if_I_change_my_mind? <- ok i found the answer | 10:52 |
| zorglu1 | thanks for the work done for cc license | 10:53 |
| zorglu1 | and as a suggestion, please do some for software | 10:54 |
| zorglu1 | or at least, do explains the current open source license, most of opensource developpers are not lawers and have trouble understanding them | 10:54 |
| jugglinx | well... u have other channels/comunitties for that zorglu1 ... | 10:55 |
| jugglinx | check out ##copyleft for example... | 10:56 |
| zorglu1 | that = ? | 10:56 |
| zorglu1 | the opensource license you mean ? | 10:56 |
| jugglinx | isn t legal advice but people with try to help.... | 10:56 |
| zorglu1 | well i fails to find any web site explaining the licence | 10:56 |
| zorglu1 | and i DID look VERY hard | 10:57 |
| zorglu1 | all i found is geeks promoting their own policy | 10:57 |
| zorglu1 | aka nothing to help me choose | 10:57 |
| zorglu1 | ##copyleft seems a lot about gpl | 10:58 |
| jugglinx | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ | 10:59 |
| zorglu1 | yep i know this link, no explaination there | 10:59 |
| jugglinx | not in that channel they speak about all the licenses...or try it, at least ;-) | 10:59 |
| zorglu1 | see i am a developper | 10:59 |
| zorglu1 | not a lawer | 10:59 |
| jugglinx | im just a user so... :-/ | 10:59 |
| zorglu1 | i even read the oreilly book about the subjet | 11:00 |
| zorglu1 | subject | 11:00 |
| zorglu1 | http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/osfreesoft/book/ | 11:00 |
| zorglu1 | i think it shows i DID look for answer | 11:01 |
| shomon | sorry but what is it you don't understand about open source licenses? | 11:01 |
| zorglu1 | suppose i want a license like 'ok to use my stuff for free but only if not commercial use' | 11:02 |
| zorglu1 | which one i choose ? | 11:02 |
| zorglu1 | with cc i can do this choice, but can i with software ? | 11:02 |
| shomon | I think go for a gpl one. If you want commercial use choose a mozilla/bsd variant | 11:03 |
| zorglu1 | ? | 11:03 |
| zorglu1 | hue ? | 11:03 |
| zorglu1 | gpl is perfectly legal for commercial use | 11:03 |
| zorglu1 | bsd too | 11:04 |
| zorglu1 | shomon: ? | 11:05 |
| shomon | as far as I know these licenses are there to deal with developing using the code - if you alter the code you have to redistribute. it doesn't really try and stop people selling it off: | 11:05 |
| shomon | it just makes sure people release the source. | 11:05 |
| zorglu1 | indead | 11:05 |
| shomon | you don't want anyone to make money from your software? | 11:06 |
| zorglu1 | it is why i really would like cc to provide licence for software | 11:06 |
| shomon | if they do, you can just download their version and sell it too.. | 11:06 |
| zorglu1 | because the existing open source license doesnt do the same job | 11:06 |
| zorglu1 | shomon: ? what do you mean ? | 11:07 |
| zorglu1 | i understand what you say as 'ok you did the work, they make money with it, you cant prevent them with open source license BUT it is ok because you can sell too' | 11:08 |
| shomon | well gpl/bsd - all these licenses try and make sure the software can still be sold no matter what. | 11:08 |
| jugglinx | zorglu1, but it s because it s not compatible, i think... coz then u should have all the distribution | 11:08 |
| jugglinx | and then that piece of software can t come with any distro... | 11:08 |
| shomon | why isn't that okay? | 11:09 |
| jugglinx | unless they pay you... :-/ | 11:09 |
| zorglu1 | shomon: because they make money with my work ? :) | 11:09 |
| shomon | well, good for them? | 11:09 |
| zorglu1 | indead and bad for me... the one who did the work | 11:09 |
| zorglu1 | i would prefere to be the one benefiting from my work | 11:10 |
| shomon | why is that bad for you? You can sell it too... anyway. if you look in freshmeat's faq http://freshmeat.net/faq/view/48/ they list non commercial as a license type so they obviously list stuff that fits with what you're asking. | 11:10 |
| jugglinx | zorglu1, what kind of package/tool are u making? | 11:10 |
| zorglu1 | it is bad for me because people bying from the other (the one who did nothing or close) wont buy from me... so i, the one who did the work, got less money to pay my rent | 11:11 |
| shomon | http://freshmeat.net/browse/808/ | 11:12 |
| zorglu1 | it think it is quite legitimate that *I* get the benefit from the work *I* did | 11:12 |
| shomon | loads of projects using the license you speak of | 11:12 |
| shomon | yes, but you can. if you do a good job, your work will be in demand. | 11:12 |
| zorglu1 | shomon: oads of projects using the license you speak of <- really ?!? which license it is | 11:13 |
| shomon | um click on the link... | 11:13 |
| zorglu1 | http://freshmeat.net/faq/view/48/ <- is just links on opensource | 11:13 |
| jugglinx | yep, and there s will a big comunitty that will apreciates it also :-) | 11:13 |
| shomon | no, the other link :) http://freshmeat.net/browse/808/ | 11:13 |
| zorglu1 | so no explaination there to do a choise as im no lawer | 11:13 |
| shomon | a good read might be cory doctorow's lecture to microsofties... can't remember the link now but he explains the "CC economy" where you make money from other things rather than just sales of your product. Might not help you but could be worth a try... | 11:15 |
| zorglu1 | on the other link i see a list of software released with a freshmeat.net tag 'free for non commercial use' | 11:15 |
| zorglu1 | well i cant use CC as my work is a software | 11:15 |
| zorglu1 | http://freshmeat.net/browse/808/ <- i dont see any license there. do i missed it ? | 11:15 |
| zorglu1 | http://freshmeat.net/faq/view/48/#808 <- and it doesnt seems to be any | 11:16 |
| shomon | yes, if you go into the websites listed on that page, you can either lift their license wording and make your own or even better, contact the authors and find out what to do... | 11:16 |
| zorglu1 | yep :) | 11:16 |
| zorglu1 | but for that i would have to pay a lawer | 11:17 |
| zorglu1 | and to trust him to do good work | 11:17 |
| zorglu1 | it is where cc is good, they already paid the lawers, so other can reuse their work | 11:17 |
| zorglu1 | it is why i really think providing cc license for software would be really nice for software | 11:18 |
| jugglinx | so many licenses :-S | 11:18 |
| zorglu1 | because nobody did the same work for software | 11:18 |
| jugglinx | yep, but remeber that FSF is a bit... ejem... they maybe dont think all this licenses are "free"... | 11:19 |
| jugglinx | they dont think CC is free, for example... :-( | 11:20 |
| zorglu1 | well i dont really care about fsf, i care about finding a license for my software | 11:20 |
| ardvark | zorglu1 I have found a link, don't know if you have seen or not? http://www.opensource.org/licenses/index.php if so, ok, sorry, just seeing this discussion now. not sure if that link will help, lots of licenses listed on there. | 11:20 |
| zorglu1 | ardvark: yep i know this link, there is no explaination there, so no help to do a choise | 11:21 |
| zorglu1 | for non lawer people, i mean | 11:21 |
| ardvark | oh ok, i do understand your dilemna though | 11:21 |
| zorglu1 | i did quite a lot of research on the subject | 11:22 |
| zorglu1 | and my current conclusion is no opensource license provides what i want | 11:22 |
| zorglu1 | in a more general point of view, no opensource software license provides the clarity and flexibility of CC | 11:23 |
| zorglu1 | it is why i do think it would be quite valuable for software if CC did the work for software too | 11:23 |
| zorglu1 | what is the reason for CC staying out of software ? | 11:24 |
| zorglu1 | i know the official one 'because there is already open source license' | 11:24 |
| zorglu1 | but as i showed those licenses work only in a very limited scope | 11:24 |
| zorglu1 | at least i think i showed :) | 11:24 |
| zorglu1 | but is there a real reason behind it ? | 11:25 |
| zorglu1 | cc staying out of software i mean | 11:25 |
| shomon | I wonder actually... probably it takes a lot of work, but in my opinion if you want non commercial use you're going to stop people using it, so it probably only applies to a small percentage of software... | 11:29 |
| zorglu1 | im sure wrinting license is a LOT of work | 11:29 |
| shomon | I'd love to know if you find it out! Would be worth asking someone who works for CC directly - it's a good question. | 11:30 |
| zorglu1 | but they did the job for several fields already, audio/image/video/text/education | 11:30 |
| zorglu1 | do some of them some here sometime ? | 11:31 |
| zorglu1 | err... do some of them come here sometime ? | 11:31 |
| shomon | I'd probably email them directly. | 11:32 |
| zorglu1 | well if i dont know the guy, i dont fell confortable asking for 'real reasons behind the website bullshit' :) | 11:33 |
| shomon | people like stallman are also usually quite accessible if you want to ask him what license would suit you - just fire off questions to them! | 11:33 |
| zorglu1 | well stallman doesnt really fit as a personn who would answer objectivly :) | 11:33 |
| shomon | if he's still the one who maintains the gpl then he should at least be able to tell you if you can use it for what you want, or why it doesn't. | 11:35 |
| zorglu1 | Creative Commons licenses are not intended to apply to software. They should not be used for software. We strongly encourage you to use one of the very good software licenses available today. <- http://creativecommons.org/faq#Can_I_use_a_Creative_Commons_license_for_software? | 11:35 |
| zorglu1 | ask any independant lawer if the gpl2 is well written :) | 11:36 |
| zorglu1 | so i dont considere their reasons as credible | 11:36 |
| zorglu1 | shomon: well i already know i cant use the gpl | 11:36 |
| zorglu1 | the gpl is the most explained license of all | 11:36 |
| zorglu1 | and it is very clear that it doesnt prevent commercial use (for my personnal case) | 11:37 |
| zorglu1 | e.g. look at all the companies running linux | 11:37 |
| zorglu1 | linux is mostly gpl | 11:37 |
| shomon | what is your personal case? if you don't mind me asking? | 11:37 |
| zorglu1 | i have a software and i would like to live on it | 11:38 |
| zorglu1 | but so i would like to spread it for free, with the source, but prevent other people to make money out of it | 11:38 |
| shomon | what kind of software is it? | 11:39 |
| zorglu1 | thus i could be the one making money and thus living on it | 11:39 |
| zorglu1 | some network stuff :) | 11:39 |
| shomon | I'd release the first version gpl or similar, but close up future versions.... | 11:39 |
| zorglu1 | how is this relevant the type of software ? | 11:39 |
| shomon | or something like that. | 11:39 |
| zorglu1 | well if i do so, any people could take the gpl version and work on it | 11:40 |
| zorglu1 | reducing the money i get to pay my rent | 11:40 |
| zorglu1 | they did it with ssh and openssh | 11:40 |
| zorglu1 | once ssh, the company, closed the source, openssh took the last gpl and worked on it | 11:41 |
| shomon | no, and again cory doctorow's reasoning mostly applies here - I think it's in the intro to any of his books: here for example:http://craphound.com/someone/Cory_Doctorow_-_Someone_Comes_to_Town_Someone_Leaves_Town.htm | 11:41 |
| zorglu1 | no to what ? | 11:42 |
| shomon | basically if people use your work then they'll know about you and you'll be more visible so it doesn't reduce your rent money :) | 11:42 |
| zorglu1 | you see my problem is quite simple, i want to work on this software all day long and provide it for free to the people | 11:42 |
| zorglu1 | i think it is a nice goal | 11:43 |
| shomon | it's basically an ad for how good you are at programming etc, so it doesn't harm you that you let other people join in. | 11:43 |
| zorglu1 | i have been searching for a solution for a more than a year now | 11:43 |
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| zorglu1 | it's basically an ad for how good you are at programming etc, so it doesn't harm you that you let other people join in <- this is the 'provide the soft for free and get paid for consulting' arguement | 11:44 |
| zorglu1 | there is the 'provide the soft in gpl and sell relicensing to people who dont want gpl' | 11:45 |
| shomon | well no, say someone else takes your code and starts selling a similar product, if they are better programmers then they'll add on useful bits, which you can reincorporate into your code. | 11:45 |
| shomon | if they aren't, then people would probably want to stick with your own code. | 11:46 |
| zorglu1 | 'provide the soft for free and get paid for consulting' arguement <- i think it is flawed because you need to FIRST release the work for free wihout ability to change your mind, and only THEN to know if you can live on consulting. if consulting doesnt work, you are screwed | 11:46 |
| zorglu1 | 'provide the soft in gpl and sell relicensing to people who dont want gpl' <- i think it is flawed because relicensing require that you own the copyright of the code. so all the patch from other people will need either to give you copyright | 11:47 |
| zorglu1 | shomon: yep, i know that the collaborative model is good to provide better product | 11:48 |
| shomon | I don't know if it's saying consulting as the only other way. most people as you say don't really know - they see a product and want to buy it. | 11:48 |
| zorglu1 | shomon: i just try to make a living out of it | 11:48 |
| shomon | well they say the gpl is viral in that sense: any changes you make to gpl code have to be gpl too - correct me if I'm wrong! | 11:49 |
| zorglu1 | it is true | 11:49 |
| zorglu1 | BUT this prevent me from relicensing the software to companie who dont want gpl their own code on top of mine | 11:49 |
| shomon | yes but I thought the gpl forced you to gpl any new versions you make of gpl code. the one that lets you get away with altering and closing the source is bsd | 11:50 |
| zorglu1 | shomon: nope | 11:50 |
| zorglu1 | shomon: well nope in the case you own the copyright on the soft | 11:50 |
| zorglu1 | if you own the copyright, you can sell it under other license too | 11:51 |
| zorglu1 | even if it remain gpl | 11:51 |
| shomon | so you don't own the copyright to the code you're trying to release? | 11:51 |
| zorglu1 | i do | 11:51 |
| zorglu1 | but i explain why i think that the 'provide the soft in gpl and sell relicensing to people who dont want gpl' arguement is flawed because it prevents(or make real hard) any external contribution | 11:52 |
| zorglu1 | so any collaborative work in a typical opensource fashion | 11:52 |
| zorglu1 | all that thinking i did, i didnt found on website :( | 11:53 |
| zorglu1 | all that analysis of opensource model should be published | 11:53 |
| shomon | I still think emailing one of the website contacts is the best way to go on with your hunt for the best model. | 11:54 |
| zorglu1 | suppose there is some way to live out of opensource project, it would clearly encourage people to produce opensource | 11:54 |
| shomon | I'm sure there are lots of people publishing that kind of analysis. | 11:54 |
| zorglu1 | well under this solution i would have to pay a lawer for the lot of work needed to write my license | 11:55 |
| zorglu1 | well i didnt found any | 11:55 |
| shomon | at least there were 5 years ago when I was researching it at university... | 11:55 |
| zorglu1 | and i did quite a lot of research | 11:55 |
| zorglu1 | all i found is people pushing their own policy | 11:56 |
| zorglu1 | no objective analysis | 11:56 |
| zorglu1 | and see... you all know the opensource.org link but do you know a opensource link which explain how to live on it ? | 11:56 |
| shomon | you probably need peer reviewed academic journal articles. | 11:56 |
| shomon | well, that's where you should contact one of these people. When I contacted stallman (also when at university) he explained he made a living from public speaking. | 11:57 |
| zorglu1 | yep it can do it | 11:57 |
| zorglu1 | but really cheap living and only because he is a star | 11:58 |
| zorglu1 | people comes hear him because he is 'stallman' | 11:58 |
| shomon | the good thing about the opensource "scene" is the authors are very accessible and will mostly be happy to tell you how they did it. | 11:58 |
| zorglu1 | they know the name | 11:58 |
| zorglu1 | believe or not i am in this scene for 15 years :) | 11:58 |
| zorglu1 | now i want to work full time on opensource | 11:59 |
| zorglu1 | and im trying real hard to find a way | 11:59 |
| zorglu1 | and surprisingly i fail to find | 11:59 |
| zorglu1 | like am the only one trying :) | 11:59 |
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| zorglu1 | ok that the end of my pseudo 'rant' | 12:00 |
| shomon | :) | 12:01 |
| zorglu1 | but i really would like cc to provide software license | 12:01 |
| shomon | sounds like a good dream - hope you come back here and tell your story when you've accomplished it! | 12:01 |
| zorglu1 | hehe :) | 12:02 |
| zorglu1 | the other possibility i got is take the soft, go to venture capitalist and try to make money out of it | 12:02 |
| zorglu1 | but no opensource there :( | 12:02 |
| zorglu1 | and if the company fails, the soft got buried in a lawer drawer | 12:03 |
| zorglu1 | and nobody can use it | 12:03 |
| zorglu1 | ok buy guys | 12:03 |
| zorglu1 | and thanks for the talk | 12:03 |
| shomon | bye | 12:03 |
| shomon | you too, very interesting | 12:04 |
| zorglu1 | i hope i convinced you to encourage cc into providing software license :) | 12:04 |
| * zorglu1 is a lobbyist now :) | 12:05 | |
| shomon | I hope you get around to emailing CC people these questions. | 12:05 |
| zorglu1 | yep i will do that | 12:05 |
| shomon | cool! | 12:05 |
| zorglu1 | i think i will use our talk as a basis to write a page about it :) | 12:20 |
| zorglu1 | i just need to do it anonymously | 12:20 |
| ardvark | hmmm, it almost seems like zorglu1 would benefit from a license that combines the gpl and a cc license? | 12:20 |
| zorglu1 | well cc for software would be flexible enought to become similar to gpl | 12:21 |
| ardvark | yeah, I agree your idea is a good one zorglu1 | 12:23 |
| zorglu1 | cool, help me push for it :) | 12:24 |
| ardvark | personally i have released my works under various cc licenses, but i am not looking to make money either :) | 12:24 |
| zorglu1 | what is the nature of your work ? | 12:24 |
| zorglu1 | audio/video/software/other ? | 12:25 |
| ardvark | let's just say graphics. i'm anonymous here too so i'll keep it as that :) | 12:25 |
| zorglu1 | ok:) | 12:25 |
| ardvark | but i do like the various cc licenses, they give me flexibility | 12:26 |
| zorglu1 | yep, cc is flexible and clear | 12:28 |
| ardvark | and yes if they applied to software would provide you with the flexibility you seek, so it seems. :) | 12:28 |
| zorglu1 | real nice | 12:28 |
| zorglu1 | ok i talk toomuch on irc, i should go back to go on my 'work' :) | 12:29 |
| zorglu1 | bye guys | 12:29 |
| zorglu1 | for the second time :) | 12:29 |
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| ardvark | bye | 12:29 |
| shomon | interesting this question of a simple viable business model for cc stuff - be it software or whatever... | 12:41 |
| shomon | I guess openbusiness could answer some of these questions but maybe the cc website should have it in the faq - how can I make a living from releasing stuff with CC licenses? | 12:42 |
| jugglinx | i think with software is different :-/ | 12:46 |
| jugglinx | free software is giving the freedom to the users and CC to the authors... | 12:47 |
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| shomon | Yes, but I'm sure if there's a case for it, it will get done. meanwhile in general... for example I remember one of the people linked via the CC website, a photo artist had removed all his CC licensed online stuff - and posted a note saying it hadn't been working so he wasn't doing it anymore. it would be good to make the money side clearer to people finding out about it so they don't get... | 12:52 |
| shomon | ...bad surprises further on... | 12:52 |
| jugglinx | true... but software is more a about evolution... and arts is culture... for me 2 diff words... | 12:54 |
| jugglinx | worlds | 12:55 |
| shomon | unless you're a member of jodi.org :) but yes I see your point... | 12:55 |
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| jugglinx | hehehe... i didn t saw that site before :-P | 12:59 |
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| mlinksva | hi | 19:13 |
| mlinksva | nevermind | 19:13 |
| mlinksva | wrong window | 19:13 |
| zwnj | mlinksva: hi | 19:19 |
| zwnj | take a look at this site: http://www.ubu.com/ | 19:19 |
| zwnj | do you know them? | 19:19 |
| mlinksva | i had looked at it before, was in my browser history :) | 19:27 |
| mlinksva | but i don't remember why | 19:27 |
| mlinksva | looks like 20th century classical stuff | 19:27 |
| zwnj | mlinksva: btw, tomorrow here are a conference about copyright and intellectual property at management.sharif.edu | 19:31 |
| mlinksva | cool, i hope you blog it :) | 19:35 |
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| rejon | crazy | 23:11 |
| rejon | I just joined #wikipedia-countdown | 23:11 |
| rejon | b4 they hit 1 million articles | 23:11 |
| rejon | insane! | 23:11 |
| rejon | that is the most posts per channel ever | 23:11 |
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