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| cchelpbot | New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: ODRL <http://wiki.creativecommons.org/ODRL> | 01:52 |
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| zwnj | hi all | 19:04 |
| zwnj | anyone knows CC's Store ID at cafepress? | 19:05 |
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| mlinksva | zwnj, no, but presumably it is embedded in a form at http://creativecommonss.org/support | 19:23 |
| * zwnj is looking | 19:28 | |
| zwnj | mlinksva: no, they are just links to cafepress.com/creativecommons/... | 19:32 |
| zwnj | i think found it on cafepress's page: 371650 | 19:34 |
| zwnj | mlinksva: tnx btw | 19:34 |
| zwnj | :( cafepress doesn't accept it.... | 19:35 |
| zwnj | seems header of http://creativecommons.org/about/supporters need update | 19:36 |
| mlinksva | ah, right, so afaik the store id is 'creativecommons' no? i don't know much of anything about cafepress, feel free to enlighten | 19:39 |
| mlinksva | yr right about the /about/supporters | 19:39 |
| mlinksva | header | 19:39 |
| zwnj | mlinksva: thanks, it's 'creativecommons' | 20:08 |
| zwnj | i thought it should be a number... | 20:08 |
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| Duesentrieb | hi all | 20:11 |
| mlinksva | hi | 20:11 |
| Duesentrieb | i would like to bring up an issue that came up in ##copyleft, and pops up repeatedly in the wikipedia and at wikimedia commons: | 20:12 |
| Duesentrieb | the isse of logos under a free license. | 20:12 |
| Duesentrieb | It would be oh so nice if there was a cc license that allows commercial use except, but forbids use that indicats endorsement or affiliation | 20:12 |
| Duesentrieb | like CC-by-sa-logo or something | 20:13 |
| Duesentrieb | what do you think? | 20:13 |
| mlinksva | that's what trademark is for | 20:13 |
| mlinksva | orthogonal to copyright licenses | 20:13 |
| Duesentrieb | mlinksva: copyright can easily be enforced internationally. Trademarks have to be (expensively) registered per country | 20:13 |
| Duesentrieb | trademarks are much harder to enforce. | 20:13 |
| mlinksva | true, but that doesn't mean you can force copyright to act like trademark | 20:14 |
| mlinksva | nb ianal | 20:14 |
| mlinksva | you might want to bring this up on cc-licenses mailing list | 20:14 |
| Duesentrieb | sure, you can make a license that basically enforced trademark rights | 20:14 |
| Duesentrieb | Also, some people argue that you weaken your trademark by explicitely stating that you allow free use of it. | 20:14 |
| Duesentrieb | the license nowhere sais explicitely that it does not touch trademark rights. | 20:15 |
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| Duesentrieb | In fact, the wikimedia foundation does not release her logos under a free license for that exact reason | 20:15 |
| Duesentrieb | same with the CC logos, btw | 20:16 |
| Duesentrieb | the situation is kind of ironic | 20:16 |
| Duesentrieb | and yes, I probably should stop ranting and take it to the ML ;) | 20:16 |
| mlinksva | read http://creativecommons.org/policies | 20:16 |
| mlinksva | if the license doesn't mention trademark i doubt it grants away trademark rights | 20:16 |
| mlinksva | but i'm merely ranting too, please do ask on the list | 20:16 |
| mlinksva | you'll get some rants :) but also probably replies from people who have a clue | 20:17 |
| Duesentrieb | the policies page is pretty much a workaround for the situation i just described... | 20:18 |
| Duesentrieb | it's like that: if you ask the copyleft folks, they tell you to rely on trademarks. When you talk to organizations and companies, they tell you they much rather rely on copyright. | 20:19 |
| Duesentrieb | i.e. enforce the restriction on both fronts. | 20:19 |
| Duesentrieb | It's silly: not even the firefox logo is under a free license. Same with Debian, I belive. | 20:19 |
| Duesentrieb | wen *need* a free license that takes care of this issue :/ | 20:19 |
| mlinksva | ok ok :) post to the list please. if you have urls for previous debates on wikipedia, mozilla, etc. lists on this topic that would probably be helpful | 20:21 |
| Duesentrieb | ugh, wikipedia discussions have a massive throughput. But maybe i'll dig through the logs. | 20:22 |
| Duesentrieb | i'll probably find something official by the wikimedia foundation | 20:22 |
| mlinksva | that wouldd be great | 20:22 |
| Duesentrieb | ok, i'll try to get my rant here into an email sometime soon. Note sure when, I don't have much time right now. | 20:25 |
| Duesentrieb | and, oh my, yet enother mailing list :/ | 20:25 |
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