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| shadeofgrey | anybody alive at this hour? | 09:35 |
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| emuzesto | pretty alive now. just got my morning coffeee. | 09:40 |
| shadeofgrey | just had my morning pharmaseudicals... so im waking up as well | 09:42 |
| shadeofgrey | nothing like 4 purgocets and a shot of vodka to start your day | 09:42 |
| shadeofgrey | so please explain to me what creative commons is | 09:42 |
| shadeofgrey | because i need to copyright 15 full length novels as soon as possible so i canb start putting them online | 09:43 |
| emuzesto | I can imagine so. I'll think I'll stick with the coffee for now. | 09:43 |
| shadeofgrey | id advise that... | 09:43 |
| emuzesto | ok. which you've written? | 09:43 |
| shadeofgrey | ive been starting my day with medication since i was 3 years old... im very physically disabled. | 09:44 |
| shadeofgrey | yup | 09:44 |
| emuzesto | I'm not affiliated with cc in any way myself, just a supporter and a hangarounder. | 09:44 |
| shadeofgrey | does copyrighting under creative commons impoly that i cant sell my boolks to the big publishers if i get them to pay attention long enough to evaluate my best ones? | 09:44 |
| emuzesto | I think so. | 09:45 |
| shadeofgrey | ...i dont always wanna be on government asistance | 09:45 |
| shadeofgrey | actually it sucks really gbad | 09:45 |
| shadeofgrey | they give you money, but they make it so that y cant work even if you want to | 09:45 |
| shadeofgrey | the harder you try to support yourself the harder they make it for you | 09:45 |
| shadeofgrey | its the dumbest system in the world | 09:46 |
| emuzesto | CC is a system where you say you don't want certain rights when publishing your work, like redistribution, derivatives, etc. | 09:46 |
| shadeofgrey | yerah but what does that mean in plain english? | 09:46 |
| shadeofgrey | that i CANT ever redistribute if i want to? | 09:46 |
| emuzesto | No. | 09:46 |
| shadeofgrey | there are supposed to be videos on the creative commons website that explain all this shit | 09:47 |
| shadeofgrey | i sure as hell cant find them though | 09:47 |
| shadeofgrey | whoa | 09:48 |
| shadeofgrey | wait a minute | 09:48 |
| shadeofgrey | they dont list the usa as a juristiction | 09:48 |
| shadeofgrey | if im in america am i up shit creek? | 09:48 |
| emuzesto | What? CC is an american system. | 09:48 |
| emuzesto | But theres several other national branches. | 09:49 |
| shadeofgrey | okay | 09:51 |
| shadeofgrey | see | 09:51 |
| shadeofgrey | ...i dont like any of these options | 09:51 |
| shadeofgrey | i mean, they're okay if you never wanna get rich | 09:51 |
| shadeofgrey | but the minute money gets involved.. your screwed | 09:51 |
| emuzesto | Don't say that. | 09:51 |
| shadeofgrey | and ive been at the bottom of the foodchain my whole life | 09:51 |
| emuzesto | Several authors use CC. Heard of Cory Doctorow? | 09:52 |
| shadeofgrey | No | 09:52 |
| emuzesto | It means that when you publish your work, you choose a CC license. So instead of full copyright, which is enforced automatically, you say that you don't need certain rights which is affiliated with a full copyright license. You can fx. allow people to redistribute you work as long as they attribute your name, don't take money for it, don't make changes, and license it under the very same license (by-nc-nd-sa). Or you can allow people to make new | 09:53 |
| emuzesto | versions (ex. film based on the novel or a translation) if they don't take money and license it the same way. | 09:53 |
| shadeofgrey | hang on ill consult my friend amazon | 09:53 |
| emuzesto | He's published several sci-fi books which is CC-licensed and which sells. | 09:53 |
| shadeofgrey | whoa | 09:54 |
| shadeofgrey | hes endorsed by the sci fi channel | 09:54 |
| emuzesto | Nothing in the CC license which makes you unable to make money, but they can help with spreading the book, which in turn can generate audience. | 09:55 |
| shadeofgrey | well | 09:55 |
| shadeofgrey | okay | 09:55 |
| shadeofgrey | how about i describe what i want to do and then you tell me where you think i should go with it as far as what type of CC license | 09:55 |
| shadeofgrey | ...all i want to do is put my novels up on seperate totally unique blogs | 09:56 |
| shadeofgrey | so that people can navcigate to them and read each chapter as i release them' | 09:56 |
| shadeofgrey | and then when the story is completely released, hopefully, if im lucky ill have an audience | 09:56 |
| emuzesto | ok. | 09:57 |
| emuzesto | Do you want people to be able to print it and redistribute them to their friends? | 09:57 |
| emuzesto | Do you want people to make a novel-on-cd-version of them or maybe a film? | 09:58 |
| shadeofgrey | yes | 09:58 |
| emuzesto | both? | 09:58 |
| shadeofgrey | to all the above.. but in the case of the CD and film versions, i want a cut of every copy that sells | 09:59 |
| shadeofgrey | thats only fair | 09:59 |
| emuzesto | Ok. So you want to allow people to make money of the derivative works. | 09:59 |
| shadeofgrey | only if by "people" you mean also including me in every case | 10:00 |
| shadeofgrey | if everybody else makes money off my work... i want a piece of the action | 10:00 |
| shadeofgrey | see | 10:00 |
| emuzesto | yesyes. you are the rightholder and can do whatever you want with it. | 10:00 |
| shadeofgrey | i dont want a ton from everybody who makes money. say... 1% of total. | 10:01 |
| shadeofgrey | eventually, if it gets big enough that means everybody makes a little bit, and i make a miniscule amount from EVERY person whos ever sold anything of mine and made any money at all | 10:01 |
| shadeofgrey | thats what i want | 10:02 |
| shadeofgrey | is it possible under the creative commons license? | 10:02 |
| emuzesto | ok. right. I don't know if there's a separete license term for it, so I would recommend you to leave out the derivative parts then and add a note which tells people to contact you about terms if they want to make derivatives. | 10:02 |
| emuzesto | That's the only solution I can think of in that case. | 10:04 |
| shadeofgrey | is doctorow really any good? | 10:04 |
| shadeofgrey | well | 10:05 |
| shadeofgrey | look | 10:05 |
| emuzesto | Haven't read any of his, but I'm planning to. I think he's pretty good. | 10:05 |
| shadeofgrey | i know i sound greedy... its because i am, because the nature of my disability and where i live demands it | 10:05 |
| shadeofgrey | the average wheelchair costs $15,000 .... and I'd have to pay $4500 a month to get my own private insurance | 10:05 |
| emuzesto | I understand. Nothing wrong with that. You're in america, right? | 10:06 |
| shadeofgrey | right | 10:06 |
| shadeofgrey | land of the brave, and the downright facist mofo's. | 10:06 |
| shadeofgrey | like i said. im at the bottom of the food chain | 10:07 |
| shadeofgrey | and when i say that i mean it literally | 10:07 |
| shadeofgrey | if it wasnt for my parents id be out on the street | 10:07 |
| shadeofgrey | noibody wants to hire disabled people | 10:07 |
| shadeofgrey | im the nicest most happy guy in the world... i couldnt even get a job as a greeter at walmart | 10:08 |
| shadeofgrey | at WALMART | 10:08 |
| shadeofgrey | ....ps.... my biggest novel? its all about how the antichreist turns up in the middle of podunk nowhere in Arkansas, a bastard son of Donald Rumsfield and gets his start as a greeter at walmart | 10:09 |
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| emuzesto | Hmm. I'm Norwegian myself, I think our system is far different from that in US of A. But I don't want to get into politics or welfare discussions right now. | 10:09 |
| shadeofgrey | even my dad thought that was funny | 10:09 |
| shadeofgrey | see | 10:09 |
| shadeofgrey | id love norweigh | 10:09 |
| shadeofgrey | ...id love amsterdfam even more | 10:10 |
| emuzesto | Have you been here? | 10:10 |
| shadeofgrey | only in dreams | 10:10 |
| shadeofgrey | ...i cant go any place cold | 10:10 |
| shadeofgrey | cold weather makes me shake like i have parkinsons | 10:10 |
| shadeofgrey | ...i was born 8 weeks premature addicted to crack cocain and heroin. the inside of most my major organs look like a cheap amusement park | 10:11 |
| emuzesto | Ah. It's pretty cold here now. But it's snow, which is beutiful and all right with me. | 10:11 |
| shadeofgrey | ...thanks mom | 10:11 |
| emuzesto | wow. | 10:11 |
| shadeofgrey | yeah | 10:11 |
| emuzesto | You've been through a lot it seems. | 10:11 |
| shadeofgrey | yeah. but.. see unlike most disabled people, i dont let it get to me. | 10:12 |
| shadeofgrey | i figure... in the end everybody struggles the same. its just a matter of how visible those strugglea are | 10:12 |
| emuzesto | My safe social democratic upbring in norway is a birthday party compared to that. | 10:12 |
| emuzesto | maybe, dunno. | 10:13 |
| shadeofgrey | i have craploads of medical problems and an affinity for pharmaseudicals... i figure that every single parent in the world has faced the same situation, comparatively speaking. it just came in a different wrapper | 10:13 |
| shadeofgrey | im an inspiration to all my friends... they all appreciate the little things a lot more because of me. | 10:13 |
| shadeofgrey | thats my legacy, if you want to call it that | 10:14 |
| shadeofgrey | and let me be very clear... when i said i wanna be rich, i didnt mean tom cruise rich | 10:14 |
| shadeofgrey | i just meant secure rnough to be able to buy apple laptops for all the gimps i know that could use a computer and not have to worry about it | 10:14 |
| shadeofgrey | my best quality is my generosity... i have the most fun wwhen i give presents. | 10:15 |
| emuzesto | Every man has the right to make his own living I think. | 10:15 |
| shadeofgrey | and i want to pay my dad back for all the money he spent sending me to college | 10:16 |
| shadeofgrey | and buy both my parents new cars | 10:16 |
| shadeofgrey | because they havent seen a vehicle with less than 80,000 miles on it in at least 20 years | 10:16 |
| shadeofgrey | and thgats entirely my fault | 10:16 |
| shadeofgrey | my existence cost them a fortune in medical bills | 10:16 |
| shadeofgrey | i dont think ill ever be able to let go of that and not feel bad about it till isell a few novels and can make sure they're taken care of anddont have to work anymoore | 10:17 |
| shadeofgrey | and my novels are all ive got man. iuts all ive ever been good at | 10:17 |
| shadeofgrey | thats why im so paranoid about showing them to anybody because i ddont want to get robbed blind | 10:18 |
| shadeofgrey | im Chris by the way | 10:19 |
| shadeofgrey | its very nice to make your acquaintance | 10:19 |
| emuzesto | I've always thought that the every-man-for-himself kind of thinking is just plain wrong. I think the society must have the means to support people which is extra heavily burdened so that also they can live a kind-of-normal-life. | 10:20 |
| emuzesto | Nice. I'm Einar. | 10:20 |
| shadeofgrey | guy or girl? | 10:20 |
| emuzesto | guy. | 10:21 |
| emuzesto | Old norse name for 'first/greatest/only warrior' | 10:21 |
| shadeofgrey | wow | 10:25 |
| shadeofgrey | cool | 10:25 |
| shadeofgrey | can i use your first name for a novdl ive got cooking? | 10:26 |
| shadeofgrey | and could you please direct me to a goood website on norse history/mythology? | 10:26 |
| shadeofgrey | nborse implies vikings right? | 10:26 |
| shadeofgrey | the real badass dudes in the boats? | 10:26 |
| shadeofgrey | listen to me, i dsound like a dumb ameerican | 10:27 |
| * shadeofgrey sighs | 10:27 | |
| emuzesto | It's alright. No copyright on my firstname. | 10:28 |
| shadeofgrey | so you dont mind? | 10:29 |
| emuzesto | It would've expired years ago anyway. | 10:29 |
| emuzesto | Nonono. | 10:29 |
| shadeofgrey | excellent. ill mention you in the foreword/thanks | 10:29 |
| emuzesto | Don't know any good norse history/mythology-sites, but I think english wikipedia should be good. | 10:30 |
| shadeofgrey | and ill make sure i email you the link the blog where i debut the first few chapters | 10:31 |
| shadeofgrey | the prologue to this particular go-around is giving me hell | 10:31 |
| shadeofgrey | ...i have this horrid habit of being my own worst critic | 10:31 |
| shadeofgrey | god i want a 30" cinema display | 10:31 |
| shadeofgrey | id sell my pancreas for one | 10:32 |
| shadeofgrey | anyway its great tomeeet you. | 10:32 |
| shadeofgrey | droip me a line sometime. | 10:32 |
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