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| mralex | JED3: from what i see on cc.org, i take it the revised chooser layout hasn't gone live yet? | 01:04 |
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| JED3 | mralex: it has not, no | 01:04 |
| JED3 | some i18n updates need to be made which is CW's court | 01:04 |
| mralex | JED3: cool. i just saw it's linking to some deprecated css files that need to come out | 01:05 |
| JED3 | mralex: ahh okay, do you want me to remove them? | 01:05 |
| mralex | that'd be cool | 01:05 |
| JED3 | okay, which ones? | 01:06 |
| mralex | JED3: | 01:06 |
| mralex | http://creativecommons.org/wp-content/themes/cc4/support.css and http://creativecommons.org/includes/progress.css | 01:06 |
| mralex | thanks! | 01:07 |
| JED3 | mralex: done, np | 01:10 |
| JED3 | whoa its dark outside | 01:13 |
| mralex | the sky is falling! | 01:13 |
| JED3 | ::gasp:: | 01:13 |
| CC_Hudson | Project cc.engine build (206): FAILURE in 4 min 25 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/206/ | 01:15 |
| CC_Hudson | JED3: Removing links to deprecated css | 01:15 |
| mralex | O_o | 01:15 |
| JED3 | o whats up hudson? where you been all day? | 01:15 |
| mralex | chillin' | 01:15 |
| JED3 | with his monocle | 01:16 |
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| JED3 | oh, totally thought hudson donned a monocle | 01:17 |
| JED3 | guess not... he needs one | 01:17 |
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| tvol | good morning #cc | 15:44 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: {|===---- watch out for that pie! | 18:37 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | MATRIX | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | {|==\_o_===------ | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | ( ' | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | /\ | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | PIE DODGE | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | 18:51 | |
| JED3 | ha! epic! | 18:51 |
| akozak | ||* - - - - ===|} | 18:52 |
| akozak | bounce back | 18:52 |
| paroneayea | YOU CANNOT | 18:53 |
| paroneayea | ---- _o_ --====|} | 18:53 |
| paroneayea | ' ( ' | 18:53 |
| paroneayea | /\ | 18:53 |
| paroneayea | FUCKING TOUCH THIS | 18:53 |
| paroneayea | ASCII artists have instant access to matrix dodges and manipulations | 18:54 |
| paroneayea | since everyone knows that the matrix pretty much dissolves into a bunch of text anyway | 18:54 |
| akozak | heh | 18:54 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: yo, so | 19:04 |
| paroneayea | translation extractions! | 19:04 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: yesplz! | 19:05 |
| paroneayea | which msgids | 19:06 |
| JED3 | lemme get yergler's gracing first... | 19:06 |
| paroneayea | ok, just let me know when | 19:06 |
| JED3 | nyergler: http://staging.creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=yes&field_derivatives=yes&field_jurisdiction=&field_format=&field_worktitle=&field_attribute_to_name=&field_attribute_to_url=&field_sourceurl=&field_morepermissionsurl=&lang=en_CA&language=en_GB&n_questions=3 | 19:06 |
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| JED3 | nyergler: latest changes to the results template | 19:06 |
| JED3 | does this look okay to you? | 19:07 |
| nyergler | JED3: are the line breaks weird in the support block? | 19:07 |
| nyergler | i guess it's like that on the production site, too | 19:07 |
| nyergler | nevermind | 19:07 |
| nyergler | looks great to me; can you ping mlinksva for a once over as well? | 19:07 |
| nyergler | otherwise looks perfect to me, thanks | 19:08 |
| JED3 | sure | 19:08 |
| JED3 | ml approves | 19:12 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: so did you already take care of the msg's i sent yesterday? | 19:12 |
| paroneayea | JED3: yes | 19:13 |
| paroneayea | and pushed to transifex | 19:13 |
| paroneayea | so just gimme the new ones | 19:13 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: finding em now | 19:21 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: actually it looks like the only changes right would be the removal of a couple msg's | 19:30 |
| JED3 | i'd rather just note somewhere that these aren't being used anymore, before we delete them from the catalog | 19:30 |
| paroneayea | really? | 19:30 |
| paroneayea | why not delete them | 19:30 |
| paroneayea | if we're not using them | 19:30 |
| paroneayea | it'll help translators not have to waste time on cruft | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | if we're sure they aren't used anyway | 19:31 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: well i was thinking just in case we decided to revert these changes in cc.engine | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | ah okay | 19:32 |
| JED3 | but i suppose we could just do the same for i18n | 19:32 |
| JED3 | ..revert before the deletion | 19:32 |
| JED3 | it looks like there's only one msg | 19:32 |
| JED3 | license.selected | 19:33 |
| paroneayea | JED3: want me to put a note on my personal todo item that'll tell me to look at removing this in a month? | 19:36 |
| paroneayea | so that we'll know safely by then whether or not it'll need to be reverted or not | 19:36 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: sounds good to mw | 19:36 |
| paroneayea | and if not, we can remove the message then | 19:36 |
| JED3 | me | 19:36 |
| paroneayea | ok cool | 19:36 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: wanna ping the affiliates about the fuzzy strings? | 21:13 |
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| JED3 | i can do it actually | 21:13 |
| paroneayea | yes you do it then ;) | 21:15 |
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| nkinkade | nyergler: What are your plans for hauling that new rack server over to ISC? | 21:16 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade: i'm planning to haul it down when i have a free second. Unfortunately this week is quickly getting overwhelmed with catch-up tasks and more urgent demands | 21:27 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: btw, interesting... repoze.bfg and pylons are moving toward pyramid (and bfg is being retired) I hear: http://docs.pylonshq.com/pyramid/dev/ | 22:07 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: yes, it was announced on the repoze.bfg-dev list last week | 22:08 |
| nyergler | very, very, very good news | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Do you think you'd like to do a little testing with Tx v1.0 and the client CLI for pushing and pulling? | 22:22 |
| nkinkade | I think it might be a good idea. The tool is really simply. | 22:23 |
| nkinkade | Basically, pulls and pushes don't happen from the website anymore, but are controlled by use through a small utility, written in python. | 22:23 |
| nkinkade | I'll send an email to follow up in any case. | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yeah | 22:27 |
| paroneayea | I'd be interested in looking at that | 22:27 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I'll detail it in an email, which is probably better in this case. | 22:29 |
| nkinkade | We may need to be ready to shift pretty soon. I think the may change the live site in the next or so. | 22:30 |
| nyergler | just want to reiterate (because i'm feeling cranky) how annoyed i am that they're dumping the version control model | 22:41 |
| nyergler | it was definitely one of the features that put them over the edge in terms of selection | 22:41 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: It's still the version control model, but the pushing and pulling is just one via a server side script rather than on their web interface. | 22:42 |
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| nkinkade | Before, they would pull around once every 12 hours, and if you wanted it sooner you had to login and click a button in the web management interface, now we could, for example just set up a cron job of some sort. | 22:43 |
| nyergler | then i totally misunderstood; i thought they were going to version things internally, and provide a way to download the PO files | 22:43 |
| nyergler | will they still push directly into our repo when changes happen? | 22:43 |
| nkinkade | And as far as pushing, the translator would have to click "Submit translations", which would take quite some time to return. | 22:43 |
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| nkinkade | Now the translations will simply be submitted to their servers and we'll pull them. Though I do see what you mean about it not happening instantly after pressing a button. | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: ^^ | 22:44 |
| nyergler | pull them using git? | 22:44 |
| nyergler | or using their own API? | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: pulling them using a python utility called tx? | 22:45 |
| nyergler | right | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | easy_install transifex-client. | 22:45 |
| nyergler | so that doesn't sound like they're using the vc model anymore :) | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I guess you're right, at least not in the same sense as before. | 22:45 |
| nyergler | we chose tx because they supported git and svn directly, and we could integrate with our existing workflow | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | But they do provide the shim. | 22:45 |
| nyergler | now they're basically in the same pool as launchpad, with a different set of trade-offs | 22:46 |
| nyergler | (ie, if this were the situation when we were evaluating, i can imagine having chosen lp over tx) | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | But I can see the advantage of them doing things this new way. The old method required them to have access to every single repository, which could be a security issue, though possibly not huge. | 22:47 |
| nkinkade | And really, from a user perspective, having to wait 30s to a 1m after every press of "Submit translations" isn't ideal. | 22:47 |
| nkinkade | We had that same issue with Pootle and pushing directly to our repo. | 22:48 |
| nyergler | if there's a way for a version control user to obliterate history server side, then yes, it's a security hole (and that vcs should probably be abandoned) | 22:48 |
| nyergler | so long as they maintain history, i wouldn't consider it a security hole | 22:48 |
| nyergler | concur that waiting isn't ideal, but i want it all :) | 22:48 |
| nyergler | (no waiting, direct vcs integration) | 22:48 |
| nkinkade | Not security hole, but perhaps an inconvenience. | 22:48 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 22:49 |
| nyergler | anyway, we're not going to switch platforms, i just find it annoying | 22:49 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: But what we really wanted was no waiting, direct VCS integration, and direct deployment to staging, but we already didn't have the 3rd. | 22:49 |
| nyergler | right; and now instead of 2/3 we have 1/3 ;) | 22:50 |
| nkinkade | So async. pushing to our repository doesn't seem like much of an issue, since we were already on the cronjob path anyway, due to the packaging of i18n. | 22:50 |
| nyergler | right | 22:50 |
| nkinkade | But I'd still argue that transifex is preferable to LP because it's a translation platform, period, whereas LP was 10,000 we didn't want and 1 we did. | 22:51 |
| nyergler | i'm just grousing; i like having the history, and i like the idea that we could eventually get away from the cron job | 22:51 |
| nyergler | maybe; my thought this past week is that we should have gone to LP for i18n + bugs + blue prints, since roundup isn't winning me over | 22:52 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I bet if we bothered them they could implement some type of callback ... that when a user saves translations, it will ping some URL which could trigger a sync. | 22:52 |
| nyergler | woulda coulda shoulda | 22:52 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade: i don't want to ask for anything at this point; every time we go through that there's some awkward discussion of money | 22:52 |
| nyergler | i'm interested in minimizing those at the moment :) | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I've noticed that. But they do showcase CC on their front page. | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | At least at the moment they do. | 22:53 |
| nyergler | good for them -- they should definitely leverage our use of their platform that way | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, roundup works, but is rather ... spartan. | 22:53 |
| nyergler | for some definition of "Works" | 22:54 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: When was the last time you synced up "es" to staging for i18n? | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | Is there a way to know that? | 23:16 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: cc.i18n-20101109230021-py2.5.egg | 23:17 |
| paroneayea | we have it auto-syncing now | 23:17 |
| paroneayea | every 15 minutes | 23:17 |
| paroneayea | or it should be | 23:17 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Ah, cool! Thanks. | 23:18 |
| paroneayea | yup | 23:18 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: so this URL: http://staging.creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/es/ | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | That should be reflecting the content of the es/cc_org.po file, right? | 23:21 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: should be. | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I'm not 100% sure it is. | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | Let me check more. | 23:22 |
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| JED3 | mralex: http://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=yes&field_derivatives=yes&field_jurisdiction=&field_format=&field_worktitle=&field_attribute_to_name=&field_attribute_to_url=&field_sourceurl=&field_morepermissionsurl=&lang=en_US&language=en_US&n_questions=3 | 23:51 |
| JED3 | didnt you ask me yesterday to let you know when this was up, or am i imaging that? | 23:51 |
| JED3 | imagining* | 23:51 |
| mralex | JED3: i asked you to remove some css links, which you did :) | 23:51 |
| JED3 | mralex: ahh thats right | 23:52 |
| mralex | i like the updated results page | 23:53 |
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