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| ztcptxm1bx | hey.. is array[i]++ the same as (array[i])++ | 01:30 |
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| ztcptxm1bx | ? | 01:30 |
| ztcptxm1bx | I mean, do I need the parenthesis? | 01:30 |
| ztcptxm1bx | ops, I think I'm on the wrong channel, sorry | 01:31 |
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| paroneayea | oh well hey | 16:05 |
| paroneayea | look at that. | 16:05 |
| paroneayea | n900 + gnome + network manager == braindead easy tethering. | 16:06 |
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| luisv | paroneayea: if you live in a civilized place, same with android phones, I believe | 16:25 |
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| paroneayea | luisv: :) | 16:28 |
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| nyergler | yeah, my g1 was picked up by network manager right away after I rooted it | 16:39 |
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| luisv | sigh | 16:53 |
| luisv | I should really root my phone | 16:54 |
| akozak | I've been thinking the same thing :) | 16:54 |
| mralex | on the other side of the fence, i'm waiting for a new CyanogenMod release ;) | 17:03 |
| luisv | is there a 2.2 CM release yet? | 17:04 |
| luisv | (for G1) | 17:04 |
| mralex | yeah, CM 6.0 | 17:05 |
| mralex | i think nyergler was running it briefly on his G1 | 17:05 |
| mralex | before it died | 17:05 |
| luisv | ah, still in RC1 | 17:06 |
| mralex | RC2 has been super stable, on my N1 | 17:07 |
| luisv | is rc2 only blurbed on the forums so far? | 17:09 |
| akozak | mralex, is there any downside to rooting? other than the whole warranty thing? | 17:09 |
| luisv | *WARNING* | 17:09 |
| luisv | *YOU COULD BRICK YOUR PHONE* | 17:10 |
| mralex | it's been out since 7/25 | 17:10 |
| luisv | ahem. | 17:10 |
| mralex | not completely sure if it supports g1 though :) | 17:10 |
| nyergler | CM6RC1 was *ok* | 17:10 |
| nyergler | CM5.whatever on the G1 was fine, except for reduced apps space | 17:10 |
| nyergler | probably could be ameliorated through apps2extsd | 17:10 |
| mralex | akozak: you could brick the phone, but it's pretty hard to compltely brick HTC phones. you can usaully always get back to the bootloader and restore things. | 17:11 |
| akozak | mralex, I guess I mean in terms of functionality | 17:11 |
| akozak | I guess I'd only miss out on the wonderful htc sense | 17:11 |
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| mralex | that's subjective :) | 17:12 |
| akozak | well htc sense has all of that account sync stuff | 17:13 |
| akozak | i was being sarcastic before, but now maybe it has some value | 17:13 |
| mralex | account sync that's different to the stock kind? | 17:14 |
| akozak | oh there's stock sync stuff? | 17:14 |
| akozak | I thought it was all htc sense stuff | 17:14 |
| akozak | like superficially connecting facebook to gmail to phone contacts | 17:15 |
| mralex | yeah, that's stock | 17:15 |
| akozak | oh ok | 17:15 |
| mralex | i think the only thing sense adds is a combined mailbox for all your accounts? | 17:15 |
| akozak | hm, definitely dont use that | 17:16 |
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| paroneayea | n900 comes pre-rooted ;) | 17:25 |
| paroneayea | Strange. My foot pedals work on my laptop (Debian) just fine but on my desktop (Ubuntu) has a 1-key delay (have to press C before Ctrl from footpedal will work to do Ctrl+C, so end up accidentally inserting characters all over the place, useless) | 17:31 |
| paroneayea | assuming it's a software difference, I've been planning to go all-Debian soon anyway | 17:31 |
| paroneayea | guess I'll do that soon | 17:31 |
| paroneayea | other than that and the cable guy not here yet to set up the real intarwebs, everything else is set up for my work environment, yay | 17:32 |
| paroneayea | which means the most important part of the move is done.. my computers are set up :) | 17:32 |
| akozak | that was the first thing I moved too :) | 17:32 |
| akozak | every time I move my desktop somewhere it always feels newer | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | actually it was the second moving run for us.. most everything else was set up but we wanted to move our computers ourselves because I guess we trusted the movers with everything else but those | 17:34 |
| akozak | haha | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | but then we made a 4 hour dekalb->chicago->dekalb run yesterday, got the computers... | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | and I forgot all my input devices :C | 17:34 |
| akozak | yea thats kind of important | 17:35 |
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| paroneayea | morgan made another dekalb->chicago->dekalb our-car-with-no-ac-in-90F run this morning while I waited for the cable guy (who didn't come). I think I was as "in the doghouse" as the phrase goes as I've been for a long time :X | 17:36 |
| paroneayea | she seems not-angry-anymore now though | 17:36 |
| * paroneayea peeks through the door apprehensively | 17:36 | |
| akozak | how come emacs doesn't come with php mode? | 17:52 |
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| akozak | cc au seems to have redesigned their site | 18:30 |
| akozak | http://creativecommons.org.au/ | 18:30 |
| akozak | and broke all their old links | 18:31 |
| akozak | :( | 18:31 |
| akozak | mralex, had you seen that? ^^ | 18:31 |
| mralex | hadn't | 18:32 |
| mralex | nice take on our theme | 18:32 |
| mralex | although it looksl ike they just took all our content and dumped it into their own wordpress site. | 18:33 |
| mralex | heh, even duped our blog url style | 18:33 |
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| akozak | donate links back to cc.org though :P | 18:34 |
| mralex | i guess they went with our cc.org theme after all, and not the simplified danish version i also linked their designer to | 18:34 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: should we have a call today? | 18:43 |
| paroneayea | you said in an email about having one on monday but I was moving then ;x | 18:44 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, yes | 18:45 |
| nyergler | can you chat now for a few minutes? | 18:45 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: sure | 18:45 |
| paroneayea | 773 614 2279 if you want to call me | 18:46 |
| nyergler | right | 18:46 |
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| nkinkade | nyergler: Backups are going well and one by one I'm migrating to full backups. I'm at a5 and noticed that the disc is using nearly 300G. I narrowed it down mostly to this file: /var/log/license-engine/cc_engine-z3.log, which is 166G and hasn't been modified for about 1.5 years. Is it safe to blast that file? | 20:03 |
| nkinkade | And also the access log in that same dir. | 20:03 |
| nyergler | lol | 20:04 |
| nyergler | let me take a quick peek; i would have expected the license-engine logs to have been rotated | 20:04 |
| nyergler | (and archived) | 20:04 |
| nyergler | oh, i guess the calls would be in the apache log? | 20:05 |
| nyergler | hrm, looking | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Not sure. There is only 1 file that is 166G! | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | Crazy! Nuts! Insane! | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 20:05 |
| nyergler | i'm going to review every line ;) | 20:06 |
| nkinkade | Check back with me in a couple years, then? | 20:06 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, go ahead and blow away z3.log | 20:06 |
| nyergler | if you don't mind hanging onto access, that's one that I'm a little less certain about | 20:07 |
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| paroneayea | can't wait to get real intarwebs again. My ssh sessions keep getting killed after < 5 minutes | 20:09 |
| paroneayea | 166 G, wow! | 20:09 |
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| akozak | mralex, have you seen this http://html5boilerplate.com/ | 20:34 |
| akozak | JED3, have you played around with node.js at all? | 20:34 |
| mralex | akozak: yeah | 20:35 |
| JED3 | akozak: yes i have | 20:35 |
| akozak | JED3, I propose once a week we get together at lunch and work on something interesting | 20:36 |
| akozak | i really want to learn more about node | 20:36 |
| JED3 | akozak: yeah? i'd be fun to do a lunch / hack sprint on something | 20:37 |
| JED3 | it'd | 20:37 |
| akozak | JED3, probably end up more like pair programming since I'd be learning js at the same time. I hacked around for like 5 hours last night with it and only got slightly more complex than hello world | 20:38 |
| JED3 | akozak: if you want to learn drupal and take over this cc net stuff, that would spectacular :P | 20:38 |
| akozak | but I'm sure I'd pick it up fast | 20:38 |
| akozak | haha | 20:38 |
| mralex | heh | 20:38 |
| akozak | i guess i could if i could take the time to learn it @ work | 20:39 |
| akozak | but lunch code sprints should be reserved for cooler things | 20:39 |
| akozak | (not that cc.net isn't cool...) | 20:39 |
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| JED3 | akozak: indeed | 20:51 |
| JED3 | mralex: i know you know the cc standard green hex code off of the top of your head, what is it? | 20:51 |
| mralex | JED3: the header green? | 20:51 |
| JED3 | yes | 20:51 |
| mralex | #5ca422 | 20:52 |
| JED3 | win, awesome | 20:52 |
| mralex | (not off the top of my head, but close) | 20:52 |
| mralex | (close as in software enabled, not close as in almost the right color) | 20:52 |
| JED3 | akozak: you're learning js? | 20:56 |
| akozak | JED3, I guess. in my mind learning js, learning python, learning php are all similar enough that one will help the other | 20:57 |
| akozak | but I've been playing with node.js recently, not getting too far | 20:58 |
| akozak | although that isn't due to the programming ,it's due to ignorace about sysadmin stuff | 20:58 |
| JED3 | ahh okay | 20:59 |
| akozak | like node not finding modules I try to require() | 20:59 |
| akozak | but that I know I've installed | 20:59 |
| akozak | :P | 20:59 |
| JED3 | most people would shudder at the idea that php and python are similar :) | 20:59 |
| akozak | yea maybe not php | 20:59 |
| akozak | JED3, I really want to try and do something using both node and processing | 21:00 |
| akozak | but I don't know if processing could access events in node | 21:01 |
| JED3 | akozak: in what way? | 21:01 |
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| akozak | like define and render an environment in processing.js and send events to node to do something with... | 21:02 |
| akozak | for example you could render an interactive multi-user visualization | 21:02 |
| akozak | or maybe just one that calls data from the web | 21:03 |
| akozak | I saw a cool blog post about node where it tracked mouse movements on the post and you could see other readers' pointers | 21:04 |
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| akozak | damnit github stole my idea http://github.com/blog/699-making-github-more-open-git-backed-wikis | 21:09 |
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| JED3 | akozak: yeah i remember reading that post, did you read his followup "lessons learned" from that experiment? | 21:11 |
| brainproxy | anyone got a whitepaper or a faq published by an informed organization that explains how estoppel relates to changes in some software's licensing from being retroactive, if that's even the case | 21:12 |
| JED3 | akozak: http://gitit.net/ | 21:12 |
| brainproxy | trying to understand this issue | 21:12 |
| brainproxy | e.g. if I'm using some software released under MIT license and a year later the developer switches to LGPL, I could fork from the earlier version and go forwarded with MIT license terms | 21:13 |
| paroneayea | brainproxy: IANAL, but yes | 21:16 |
| paroneayea | if you use the older MIT licensed version | 21:16 |
| brainproxy | right | 21:16 |
| brainproxy | it makes sense | 21:16 |
| brainproxy | and various people say that, per google search | 21:16 |
| paroneayea | but make sure that it really is the older version, that it includes that licensing information in the source release you have | 21:17 |
| brainproxy | but I was wondering if anyone's done a writeup | 21:17 |
| brainproxy | that explains it | 21:17 |
| paroneayea | I don't know of a writeup offhand | 21:17 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: JED3: do you know at all why the enum library was included in cc.license? I removed it and tests still seem to run fine. Not sure if it provides some optional speedup or something but I'm thinking not | 21:21 |
| paroneayea | sorry, not "included in", "required by" | 21:22 |
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| nyergler_ | paroneayea, i do not recall | 21:42 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: O: | 21:53 |
| paroneayea | hm so | 21:54 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: :O | 21:54 |
| paroneayea | there's already a PublicDomainHTMLFormatter | 21:54 |
| paroneayea | what's less terrible | 21:54 |
| paroneayea | PublicDomainMarkHTMLFormatter | 21:54 |
| paroneayea | PDMarkHTMLFormatter | 21:54 |
| paroneayea | for a classname | 21:55 |
| JED3 | hehe...uhm | 21:56 |
| JED3 | the former, i guess? idk | 21:56 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Do you happen to know anything about this type of git error: Untracked working tree file 'some/file' would be overwritten | 22:01 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yeah.. it means you have a modified file | 22:01 |
| paroneayea | locally | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | The answer seems obvious, but the problem is that 'some/file' is definitely not in the working tree | 22:01 |
| paroneayea | so you can't merge | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | And it's certainly not untracked. | 22:01 |
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| paroneayea | oh that's strange | 22:02 |
| nkinkade | Sorry .. the file *is* in teh working tree, but it is tracked. | 22:02 |
| nkinkade | I'm getting this error when I attempt to rebase. | 22:02 |
| paroneayea | oh. | 22:02 |
| paroneayea | so I'm guessing | 22:02 |
| paroneayea | the file isn't tracked in your working tree, but in the upstream version it is | 22:03 |
| paroneayea | try moving it aside and merging | 22:03 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: The file is tracked in the working tree as far as I can tell. | 22:03 |
| nkinkade | git log some/file give me the commit when it was added. | 22:03 |
| paroneayea | oh. | 22:03 |
| paroneayea | I don't know what's going on then :) | 22:03 |
| paroneayea | is this on a server or local | 22:03 |
| nkinkade | My working tree/branch should be precisely what is up on the remote side. | 22:03 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: It's happening on a7. | 22:04 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: what directory? | 22:04 |
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| nkinkade | I did a fresh checkout of a remote branch, then tried to rebase. | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: /var/www/wiki-staging.creativecommons.org/www.git | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | When I try: $ git rebase --onto origin/tags/REL1_16_1 origin/tags/REL1_15_1 | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | ... that's when I start getting a bunch of those errors ... yet I'm not sure why. | 22:05 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: can you paste the error? | 22:05 |
| paroneayea | or what file it is | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | It would almost appear as if rebase were reverting the working tree to some previous state, making some/file untracked, then trying to merge it, or something. | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | images/0/00/Songbird_mozcc_mixter.png | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: ^^ | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | But that is just the first error it hits like that ... rebase hit about 6 others before I just gave up and tried to figure out what in heck was going on. | 22:06 |
| paroneayea | yeah, weird | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | I don't know... :( | 22:10 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I wonder if this is some strange side effect of using git-svn? | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | I'm starting to feel that git-svn may not be the way to manage our mediawiki installs. | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yeah git-svn sometimes feels a bit wonky to me | 22:18 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: We've found in the past that if our commits aren't totally linear from the last upstream tag that a rebase totally barfs. | 22:18 |
| nkinkade | Any sort of merging wasn't working. | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | It feels forced. git is great, but it may be trying to pound a square peg into a round hole to use it when upstream is svn. | 22:19 |
| paroneayea | or a tree through a thin tube :) | 22:24 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: are we going to want to have i18n strings for the formatter / deeds / etc available before launch | 22:30 |
| paroneayea | or are we planning on doing that after launch | 22:30 |
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