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| JED3 | paroneayea: pung | 17:39 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: pong | 18:09 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: hey, you busy? | 18:09 |
| paroneayea | JED3: nope | 18:09 |
| paroneayea | sup | 18:09 |
| JED3 | nm, trying to figure out the perf issues in the api | 18:09 |
| JED3 | this jurisdictions isn't playing nice | 18:10 |
| JED3 | call* | 18:10 |
| paroneayea | more context? | 18:11 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: well first, i discovered this while trying to debug the issue http://dpaste.com/225371/ | 18:14 |
| paroneayea | oh | 18:16 |
| JED3 | so that license has a dc:replaceby in the rdf, i'm not i know exactly what that means | 18:17 |
| JED3 | dc:isReplacedBy* | 18:17 |
| paroneayea | oh dc:isReplacedBy | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | hm | 18:19 |
| JED3 | it doesn't behave like the other licenses using that | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | I'm not really sure myself | 18:19 |
| JED3 | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/za/ for example is valid | 18:19 |
| JED3 | but not http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/jp/ | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | ah I bet I know why | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | one sec let me test | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | JED3: for some reason that license is missing its licenseClass | 18:25 |
| paroneayea | which means that when the cc.license code checks to see if any of the selectors have that license | 18:25 |
| paroneayea | it doesn't find it because no selector reports it as existing | 18:25 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: ahh okay | 18:26 |
| paroneayea | so we should fix that and add the licenseClass :) | 18:26 |
| paroneayea | I wonder if any other licenses are missing their licenseClass... | 18:26 |
| erlehmann | which one of you is the API guy? | 18:29 |
| JED3 | heh lord | 18:29 |
| JED3 | erlehmann: it is i | 18:30 |
| erlehmann | JED3, would it hurt if under $api_url . '/locales' the locales came with some localized labels? | 18:30 |
| JED3 | erlehmann: that's been requested before, i'll look into it again | 18:32 |
| erlehmann | it would certainly be helpful for my gsoc plugin. no sane user will be selecting zh_TW | 18:32 |
| JED3 | erlehmann: but everyone else is perfectly capable of getting those labels themselves :) | 18:33 |
| paroneayea | JED3: without looking, I am guessing: is the reason the api is having some speed issues due to librdf slow queries? | 18:33 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: thats my only idea at this point | 18:33 |
| JED3 | the jurisdictions querys namely | 18:33 |
| erlehmann | JED3, also, is /support/jurisdictions the right place to parse jurisdictions out of? | 18:33 |
| paroneayea | that whole multiple-conditions-makes-your-query-as-slow-as-molasses | 18:33 |
| paroneayea | -in-january | 18:33 |
| paroneayea | -in-antarctica | 18:33 |
| JED3 | erlehmann: for a complete list of jurisdictions, yes | 18:34 |
| erlehmann | fine. i used it. | 18:34 |
| JED3 | erlehmann: however if you're using it for a UI, look at /support/jurisdictions.js | 18:34 |
| paroneayea | -i-guess-maybe-i-mean-the-north-pole-because-otherwise-else-the-seasons-would-be-reversed | 18:34 |
| erlehmann | JED3, i parse it myself and then build a UI. | 18:34 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: hehe, i ended up not using the query remember? | 18:34 |
| erlehmann | and document.write is not nice anyway | 18:35 |
| paroneayea | oh right | 18:35 |
| JED3 | our version of librdf doesnt support negation using sparql | 18:35 |
| paroneayea | python filtering :) | 18:35 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: yup | 18:35 |
| erlehmann | also, i don't have whole URLs for jurisdictions, but simple identifier. i take the stuff between the last two slashes AND HOPE IT DOESNT CHANGE | 18:35 |
| JED3 | erlehmann: http://creativecommons.org/international/XX | 18:36 |
| JED3 | erlehmann: for the website url of a jurisdiction, you'll need to use the /license/standard/jurisdiction/XX API call | 18:37 |
| erlehmann | thx | 18:42 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: have you witnessed inconsistent responses times in RDF.Query? | 18:54 |
| paroneayea | JED3: hm not sure | 18:54 |
| paroneayea | I think I've mostly observed a long-query short-query divid | 18:55 |
| paroneayea | divide | 18:55 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: but not inconsistent response times for the same query? | 18:55 |
| paroneayea | I haven't noticed it... that's not to say it doesn't happen | 18:56 |
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| karlushi | http://openideo.com/faq removed the use of Creative Commons Licenses | 19:01 |
| karlushi | >Who owns the concepts? | 19:01 |
| karlushi | >The Contributor(s) own the concept(s) generated on OpenIDEO which they non-exclusively license to the Challenge Host for possible publication. | 19:01 |
| karlushi | they added in their prose | 19:01 |
| karlushi | > At the end, a top concept is chosen. All concepts generated are shareable, remix-able, and reusable in a similar way to 'creative commons'. | 19:01 |
| karlushi | http://openideo.com/terms/ Terms of Use as yesterday do not mention Creative Commons | 19:02 |
| karlushi | So instead of clarifying the use of creative commons, they decided to not use it. *sigh* | 19:03 |
| paroneayea | hey jed_ | 19:29 |
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| paroneayea | or JED3 :) | 19:30 |
| JED3 | jed_ is so professional sounding you can call me JED3 :) | 19:30 |
| paroneayea | looks like I might have found out why that happened with that license. | 19:30 |
| JED3 | jed_ is my alter-ego for when the office connection has a case of the hiccups | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | haha | 19:31 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: o rly? | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | the cc:licenseClass doesn't appear in index.rdf but it does appear in the file | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | check out: | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | cc/licenserdf/licenses/creativecommons.org_licenses_by-nc-nd_2.0_jp_.rdf | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/license.rdf.git/tree/cc/licenserdf/licenses/creativecommons.org_licenses_by-nc-nd_2.0_jp_.rdf | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | the reason this got goofed up was that the file is split into two pieces, a cc:License and a rdf:Description | 19:33 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: yeah, i see the licenseclass | 19:33 |
| paroneayea | for some reason no other files are split up like this | 19:33 |
| paroneayea | anyway when it gets merged into index.rdf it only pulls out one of them, and so the data in cc:License is missed apparently (!) | 19:34 |
| paroneayea | anyway I can fix this file and re-merge index.rdf | 19:35 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: awesome | 19:36 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: still can't figure out why the api is running like a turtle on dope when called for jurisdictions | 19:40 |
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| paroneayea | haha turtles on dope | 19:42 |
| paroneayea | I like how you just talked about avoiding unprofessional usernames then said "running like a turtle on dope" | 19:42 |
| paroneayea | that's awesome | 19:43 |
| paroneayea | I love #cc | 19:43 |
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| JED3-lunch | paroneayea: :D | 20:10 |
| paroneayea | JED3-lunch: it should be fixed... also uploaded a new package | 20:17 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: thank you | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | JED3: yup :) | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | JED3: oh man | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | there are more problems with this rdf file | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | several assertions inside it that are by-nd-nc instead of by-nc-nd | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | nyergler_: yo | 20:20 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, hola | 20:21 |
| paroneayea | so if you read our previous conversation, there was an rdf file that was a bit misformed | 20:21 |
| paroneayea | for cc by-nc-nd 2.0 jp | 20:21 |
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| paroneayea | however, I'm also noticing that it has several assertions that are ordered like by-nd-nc | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | so I'm wondering if there's any intentional reason this is this way | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | or if it's an error I should correct (as I assume) | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | current result is that: | 20:22 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, it just looks broken to me | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | ah ok | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | nyergler_: also, it strikes me that it wouldn't be hard to do something with license.rdf that's like what we're doing with cc.i18n | 20:24 |
| paroneayea | where there are automatically generated tarballs | 20:24 |
| paroneayea | maybe that's overthinking though | 20:24 |
| paroneayea | rdf doesn't change as much | 20:24 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, true cc.i18n has the additional property that it needs to be post-processed before making the tarball (to make MO files) | 20:25 |
| nyergler_ | i suppose we merge the RDF | 20:26 |
| nyergler_ | hrm, don't know | 20:26 |
| paroneayea | I wasn't thinking of auto-merging the index.rdf but that's a good idea also ;0 | 20:27 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, i need to step away for a second, not sure if anything here needs a decision | 20:28 |
| nyergler_ | (i'd say hold off on auto-building rdf ATM) | 20:28 |
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| paroneayea | oh no need for a decision now, just pondering | 20:28 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: pyng | 21:10 |
| paroneayea | JED3: pong | 21:11 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: more weirdness | 21:12 |
| paroneayea | uhohes | 21:12 |
| JED3 | >>> cc.license.by_uri('http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/br/') | 21:13 |
| JED3 | <License object 'http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/br/'> | 21:13 |
| JED3 | >>> cc.license.by_uri('http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/br/').title('en') | 21:13 |
| JED3 | u'Attribution-NonCommercial' | 21:13 |
| JED3 | >>> cc.license.by_uri('http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/es/').title('en') | 21:13 |
| JED3 | u'Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Spain' | 21:13 |
| paroneayea | let's see.. | 21:14 |
| JED3 | brazil's rdf must be funky | 21:14 |
| paroneayea | JED3: no i18n title in brazil's RDF | 21:15 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: are you sure? | 21:15 |
| JED3 | my index.rdf has dc:title's for br | 21:15 |
| paroneayea | JED3: I mean, no dc:title xml:lang="i18n" | 21:15 |
| paroneayea | the "template" for translations | 21:16 |
| paroneayea | see other files | 21:16 |
| JED3 | ahh okay | 21:16 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: which file exactly? | 21:17 |
| paroneayea | for whatever reason, these licenses are missing the i18n template assertion | 21:17 |
| paroneayea | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/246533/ | 21:17 |
| JED3 | oh nm i see what you're saying | 21:17 |
| paroneayea | they are all taiwan and br | 21:18 |
| JED3 | hmm so whyd it fail? | 21:18 |
| paroneayea | oh | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | so these are the files that were at an earlier time in the license.rdf-git/licenses/ directory | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | they were added after the new packaging efforts | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | er after the retooling | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | there were thus a number of issues with them, apparently this being one of them | 21:20 |
| paroneayea | trying to figure out how I added the i18n lang assertion in the first place, one sec | 21:20 |
| paroneayea | ah I see... tools/gen_i18n_titles.py | 21:22 |
| paroneayea | I'll generate and add those. | 21:22 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: okay, thx | 21:25 |
| paroneayea | yup | 21:25 |
| nyergler_ | a little more important, do we have any idea why i18n isn't happening on deeds? | 21:26 |
| paroneayea | nyergler_: what?? | 21:26 |
| nyergler_ | see your email | 21:27 |
| paroneayea | looking | 21:27 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, see my reply, just sent with a little more information. | 21:29 |
| paroneayea | okay | 21:29 |
| paroneayea | so I am guessing that this is relevant to the move from cc.i18npkg to cc.i18n | 21:32 |
| nyergler_ | seems like a safe assumption | 21:32 |
| paroneayea | I could quick-rever to before that though there have also been a few important bugfixes the last few days. | 21:33 |
| nyergler_ | I'd prefer to know what happened if we can look @ it | 21:34 |
| paroneayea | yeah I'll do that | 21:34 |
| paroneayea | or, am doing it now ;) | 21:34 |
| nyergler_ | thanks | 21:35 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: ping | 21:41 |
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| paroneayea | hm. This is strange. | 21:45 |
| paroneayea | oh man. | 21:45 |
| paroneayea | I think I know what happened. | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Hi. | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | nyergler_: okay I think I know what happened | 21:47 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, is that a good or a bad "i think i know" :) | 21:47 |
| nyergler_ | shoot | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | it's a "this isn't too hard to fix if I'm right" | 21:47 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: hey, so the API slow downs, how long do they normally last (how long is the api unresponsive) and how often does it happen? | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | so remember how I said the defaultLanguages in jurisdictions.rdf were out of date | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | so I was going to import from licenses.xml | 21:47 |
| nyergler_ | yes | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | well what changed here is: | 21:47 |
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| paroneayea | (Pdb) license.jurisdiction.default_language | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | 'es_MX' | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | 21:47 | |
| paroneayea | used to be es-mx | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | I think what happened was I didn't convert them from es_MX to es-mx style. | 21:48 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I'm not sure. I'm not polling all day long. | 21:48 |
| nyergler_ | ah, so when you imported from licenses.xml, we didn't convert _ to -? | 21:48 |
| paroneayea | yeah. | 21:48 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, sounds plausible | 21:48 |
| paroneayea | should only take me a second to confirm... | 21:48 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, why don't you edit mx by hand on staging and see if that fixes it there? | 21:49 |
| nyergler_ | right | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | I just know that Mike first wrote to webmaster@, or caught me here on #cc, to say that the international/ pages were showing PHP errors and not loading fully. | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | JED3: ^^ | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | nyergler_: ah good idea | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | Since then I've noticed it too, and earlier today I could hardly get a single intl. page to load properly. | 21:49 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: damn, okay thanks | 21:49 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: so do the errors normally look like the one you took a screen capture of? http://a5.creativecommons.org/~nkinkade/api_timeouts.png | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I've seen many like that, but actually earlier today sometimes Varnish would just timeout and give an error. | 21:52 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: okay, then its not just a specific call failing or slowing down, its the entire api | 21:53 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: For what it's worth, the international/xx pages seem to be returning quickly now. | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | Earlier that wasn't the case. | 21:58 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yeah, which is why i'm asking these questions | 21:59 |
| JED3 | "psh its working just fine, mike and kinkade are crazy" | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | That makes me wonder if it's a load issue. But when this stuff happens I log into both a5 and a8 and see nothing out of the ordinary. | 21:59 |
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| nkinkade | At least nothing that top displays. | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | I've even looked at network traffic to see if it's higher than normal. | 22:00 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: and nothing telling? | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Yeah, nothing. This morning when I had the issue a8 was pushing out 1.2MB/sec approx. Now it's at 1.03MB/sec. | 22:01 |
| paroneayea | nyergler_: yup that's it: http://staging.creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/mx/ | 22:03 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, aweomse | 22:04 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, can you do a pass over the RDF files and fix those? | 22:04 |
| paroneayea | working on fixing up the RDF and making another release now. | 22:04 |
| paroneayea | yup. | 22:04 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, | 22:28 |
| nyergler_ | just saw the commit | 22:28 |
| paroneayea | :) | 22:28 |
| nyergler_ | looks like we're adding some lines with the underscore style; ie, | 22:28 |
| nyergler_ | + <dc:title xml:lang="en_CA">Romania</dc:title> | 22:28 |
| nyergler_ | don't know if that's right or wrong for xml:lang, just wanted to double check | 22:28 |
| paroneayea | yeah that's not technically changed in this but | 22:28 |
| paroneayea | you are right | 22:28 |
| paroneayea | there is that problem | 22:29 |
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| nyergler_ | ok | 22:29 |
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| nyergler_ | so yes, a problem, but a different one? | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | yes | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | I think maybe the same mistake may be being made by the translation machinery? | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | of not converting it | 22:29 |
| nyergler_ | ok, well let's fix the deed issue first :) | 22:30 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 22:30 |
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| paroneayea | cache wiped... | 22:31 |
| paroneayea | nyergler_: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/mx/ | 22:31 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, awesome, thanks! | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | yup | 22:33 |
| paroneayea | sorry about that lapse | 22:33 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler_: also I just checked and it turns out this lapse caused a failure in cc.license's tests | 22:36 |
| paroneayea | we should get buildbot or something running soon :) | 22:36 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, so in other words, CI would have saved our ass here | 22:36 |
| paroneayea | yup | 22:36 |
| nyergler_ | yay? | 22:36 |
| paroneayea | we'll say yay to an alternate dimension where cc tech team already had CI working, and this problem never happened | 22:37 |
| paroneayea | maybe in that alternate dimension they accidentally took down the server for 4 hours today though for completely other reasons | 22:37 |
| paroneayea | those twerps. | 22:37 |
| nyergler_ | all high and mighty with the CI server | 22:38 |
| nyergler_ | but still fucking things up | 22:38 |
| paroneayea | yup | 22:38 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: pinf | 22:45 |
| paroneayea | JED3: pong | 22:46 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: sigh nevermind | 22:49 |
| paroneayea | lol ok | 22:49 |
| JED3 | the change in license.rdf for "Babel>1.0" stopped a buildout | 22:49 |
| nyergler_ | nkinkade, you still around? | 22:49 |
| JED3 | but its because i dont have the basket link in my cfg | 22:50 |
| nkinkade | nyergler_: Yeah. | 22:50 |
| JED3 | can we go ahead and move the eggs from your a9 dir and onto the code.cc.org basket? | 22:50 |
| JED3 | how much work would that be? | 22:50 |
| paroneayea | not too much work. just need to copy them over and make sure that all buildout.cfg's pointing at my dir are updated for basket | 22:51 |
| paroneayea | which most are I think | 22:51 |
| paroneayea | I updated every one I thought needed to be updated just a couple of days ago | 22:51 |
| JED3 | mine wasn't ;) | 22:51 |
| paroneayea | but I'm not sure | 22:52 |
| paroneayea | hehh | 22:52 |
| paroneayea | that's why I didn't wipe the directory :) | 22:52 |
| paroneayea | also I accidentally just uploaded a couple more cc.licenserdf's there | 22:52 |
| JED3 | okay cool well i'll make sure the scraper and the api are up to date? | 22:52 |
| paroneayea | so those need to be copied over | 22:52 |
| JED3 | whoops premature ? mark | 22:52 |
| paroneayea | JED3: sure. | 22:52 |
| paroneayea | I gotta go actually for a bit | 22:52 |
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| paroneayea | then I'm going to email akila about last steps for gsoc | 22:53 |
| paroneayea | then I'm out till tomorrow | 22:53 |
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| paroneayea | actually before I hang up here.. | 22:55 |
| paroneayea | nyergler_: I did a buildout and that test is still failing but for a different, related reason | 22:55 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, ok, can you email/open ticket/something so that it doesn't get lost? | 22:56 |
| nyergler_ | i understand it's EOB for you | 22:56 |
| paroneayea | sure. | 22:57 |
| nyergler_ | thanks | 22:58 |
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