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| nkinkade | JED3: Yeah? | 00:29 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: hey, is the email field for a civi contact enforced as a unique value? | 00:29 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I don't think so. | 00:30 |
| JED3 | can there be multiple contact records with the same email? | 00:30 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I think so, but if you add the contact using CiviCRM's interfaces it will try to recognize that and update the existing contact. | 00:30 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: okay, thanks! | 00:32 |
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| alabd | Good day all , one text license is copy lefted or copy righted no difference ,should we pay attention to a license lawfully , when we want copy text somewhere exactly yes ? and no problem to paraphrase text and then copy it ? yes ? | 14:15 |
| greg-g | alabd: could you please be more specific with the question you are asking? | 14:21 |
| alabd | greg-g: sure , a text has been licensed and we should not copy it , now can we paraphrase text and change sentence then write it somewhere , is this legal ? | 14:23 |
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| alabd | greg-g: is not clear ? | 14:26 |
| greg-g | Which license is the text licensed under? | 14:27 |
| alabd | greg-g: does it matter ? e.g CC | 14:27 |
| greg-g | yes, it matters greatly | 14:27 |
| alabd | e.g CC | 14:28 |
| alabd | really don't you know after paraphrasing a text it will be under license or not ? greg-g ? | 14:30 |
| greg-g | alabd: paraphrasing is legal in all cases yes as you are not copying the original text. | 14:31 |
| greg-g | but "should we pay attention to a license lawfully , when we want copy text somewhere exactly yes" is different | 14:31 |
| alabd | greg-g: thanks do you have any source for this > paraphrasing is legal in all cases yes as you are not copying the original text. | 14:32 |
| greg-g | US Copyright law | 14:33 |
| greg-g | but, don't take what you hear from some random person on IRC as legal advice | 14:33 |
| greg-g | I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice | 14:33 |
| greg-g | But, Copyright Law only applies to "copying" the original work, in most cases. | 14:34 |
| greg-g | There are some exceptions (see: the recent Catcher in the Rye case) | 14:34 |
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| alabd | greg-g: you mean it may differ for each license ? | 14:40 |
| greg-g | it may differ on the specifics of what you copied/paraphrased | 14:40 |
| greg-g | I would need a specific emaple if you want me to help you decide what to do | 14:40 |
| alabd | greg-g: am writing a Ubuntu Book , for some parts of book like historical , philosophic , definitions , ... humble(i) used some sentence from ubuntu.com ,wikipedia.org , and some persian websites , .. but paraphrased them | 14:43 |
| greg-g | if you truly paraphrased them, then you should be fine. And text from Wikipedia is licensed under the CC:BY-SA license, which means you can use the text verbatimly (or in chunks) as long as you credit the source (wikipedia) and license you work under CC:BY-SA | 14:44 |
| alabd | no book is hard book | 14:45 |
| alabd | and can not be in CCBYSA | 14:45 |
| alabd | but how is true paraphrase greg-g ?? | 14:45 |
| greg-g | why can it not be CC:BY-SA? | 14:48 |
| alabd | methink we have not such thing in our country for hardbooks | 14:48 |
| alabd | greg-g: am in hurry , would you answer these 2 question 1 - how is true paraphrase ? maybe one example ? | 14:49 |
| greg-g | I can not give you an example, I'm sorry. Look up the definition of paraphrase on wikipedia, maybe? | 14:49 |
| greg-g | and, any book can be licensed under a CC:BY-SA license, no matter the country | 14:49 |
| alabd | 2 - here http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu see first 4 lines , Ubuntu is an ancient .... can we copy this facts or definitions too with out paraphrase ? | 14:50 |
| greg-g | alabd: copyright law is probably different where you are, and I don't feel comfortable giving you legal advice for a book that you presumably will be selling | 14:52 |
| alabd | greg-g: you advice for your country or generally | 14:55 |
| alabd | here http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu see first 4 lines , Ubuntu is an ancient .... | 14:55 |
| alabd | that 4 lines are definition of a ubuntu word | 14:55 |
| alabd | can not we copy in also ? | 14:55 |
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| lotia | greetings all. any pointers to README/SETUP/INSTALL files for the discovered code. I've cloned and have a fully updated git repo (off Gitorious). I glanced at the quickstart script. Should I read it more closely? | 14:59 |
| alabd | in other word how do humble(i) paraphrase this line for example : Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'. greg-g | 14:59 |
| alabd | is it possible ? | 14:59 |
| alabd | any opinion ? | 15:07 |
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| alabd | greg-g: am asking this question cause of juridical issue not cause of law , because our country law says you can copy outsider softwares | 15:12 |
| alabd | this is why humble say you tell me as a US people | 15:12 |
| greg-g | alabd: software is not literature. And that is why I don't want to give you much advice, because I don't know the laws of your coutnry | 15:12 |
| alabd | greg-g: am asking this question cause of juridical issue not cause of law , because our country law says you can copy outsider softwares | 15:13 |
| alabd | and humble am allowed to copy all text from outsider sources | 15:13 |
| alabd | his is why humble say you tell me as a US people | 15:13 |
| alabd | am asking this question cause of islam juridical | 15:14 |
| alabd | would you answer those 2 questions ? thanks | 15:14 |
| greg-g | I'm sorry alabd, I don't feel comfortable answer your questions due to laws I do not understand. I don't want to give you incorrect advice. | 15:15 |
| alabd | greg-g: to be sure check iran law to be sure that humble am alllowed to copy all text from outsider of country | 15:16 |
| alabd | check and answer me then | 15:16 |
| greg-g | alabd: sorry, no. I will not read all of Iran copyright law and answer your question. | 15:16 |
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| lotia | greg-g: you're such a slacker | 15:22 |
| lotia | what will you do at lunch today. | 15:23 |
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| greg-g | lotia: :) I guess going over to the law library and getting the Irian law code to peruse | 15:23 |
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| alabd | greg-g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_in_Iran | 15:53 |
| lotia | alabd: respectfully. a wikipedia entry cannot possibly be used to provide guidance on the use of IP. | 15:54 |
| alabd | a question : humanity says think all people are human and doing lawfully unless reverse of it be cleared for you | 15:58 |
| alabd | now do you think am humble telling lie ? | 15:58 |
| alabd | you can answer and you will not be responsible if even humble was not true man , am humble wrong | 15:59 |
| alabd | how do you think | 15:59 |
| alabd | anyway thanks a lot god peace you bye | 16:01 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: ping | 17:22 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Hi. | 17:24 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: what are you thoughts on pushing the code i've been working on for the ccnet.php version to drupal.git? | 17:25 |
| JED3 | should i create a seperate repo, or having you been doing a fair amount of customization in drupal.git anyways? | 17:26 |
| JED3 | have* | 17:26 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I haven't done too many modifications to drupal.git, if any, other than adding Drupal modules. | 17:30 |
| nkinkade | I definitely don't think we should have a different repo, but a different branch might make sense. | 17:30 |
| nkinkade | At least for testing. | 17:31 |
| JED3 | okay, yeah i'm hesitant to create another repo, its only 3 custom modules and some theme modifications | 17:32 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: can you look over this module for me? | 17:35 |
| JED3 | i want to make sure that i'm integrating sanely with civicrm | 17:35 |
| JED3 | http://pastebin.com/J37rWNkx | 17:35 |
| nkinkade | JED3: What aspect of it did you want me to check? A gave it quick glance and nothing stood out as wrong. | 17:42 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: just the civi api calls | 17:42 |
| nkinkade | It's a Drupal module, or a CiviCRM module? | 17:42 |
| JED3 | drupal | 17:42 |
| JED3 | although it may make more sense as the latter | 17:43 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: Have you done any testing with the module yet? | 17:47 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: locally yes | 17:47 |
| nkinkade | I guess I wasn't aware that you could use CiviCRM hooks from within a Drupal module. | 17:47 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: in the receipt letters, is it possible for us include directions on how they can set up a profile? | 17:55 |
| JED3 | right now the instructional emails are sent from the cc.net side | 17:55 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Sure. The receipt is just a message template. | 17:56 |
| JED3 | okay great | 17:56 |
| nkinkade | But the receipt will go to everyone, regardless of how much they donated. | 17:56 |
| nkinkade | I suppose we could have two separate receipts. | 17:56 |
| nkinkade | Admin -> Configure -> Message Temples | 17:56 |
| nkinkade | (in CiviCRM) | 17:57 |
| JED3 | ohh, or we could just ask everyone to create a profile and mention "and if you donated about the 75 amount, you'll get extra stuff" | 17:57 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: can you delegate the templates based on how much they gave? | 17:57 |
| nkinkade | JED3: The code code certain could. | 17:57 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I think the best place for that to be handled will be in the javascript on /donate, or wherever else people donate from. | 17:58 |
| nkinkade | ... rather than adding that config to OneClick itself. | 17:58 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: okay, like setting a email_template param before heading to oneclick? | 18:00 |
| nkinkade | JED3: There is already a &receipt= query param. | 18:00 |
| nkinkade | It's value is just the db ID of the message template to use. | 18:01 |
| JED3 | ohh okay good, that should be difficult to add then | 18:01 |
| akozak | nkinkade, I had no idea webmaster@ got so much traffic | 18:16 |
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| akozak | terrible, terrible traffic | 18:20 |
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| JED3 | ehh looks like actually haven't checked my "Dear CC" folder in a week or two | 18:41 |
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| greg-g | nkinkade: mralex: ummm http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:AddData/Grant_Application is giving me an error | 19:35 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: I just upgraded SMW and Semantic Forms. | 19:35 |
| nkinkade | Surely it's that. | 19:35 |
| greg-g | ahhh | 19:36 |
| greg-g | it is a "No Such Special page" error | 19:36 |
| akozak | oh shi- I hope AddData isn't a dead page in the new version | 19:36 |
| akozak | let me check | 19:36 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I'm also wondering about the 5 or 6 other "Semantic" extensions we have and whether they are compatible with SMW 1.5.1. | 19:38 |
| akozak | nkinkade, they should be | 19:38 |
| akozak | Forms for sure is | 19:38 |
| akozak | I think Yaron got rid of AddData, but didn't implement any redirects or anything | 19:39 |
| akozak | the new special page for forms is FormStart | 19:39 |
| akozak | I thought he had made this change a while back and AddData was the new page, which is why I wasn't worried about it. | 19:40 |
| akozak | But we might have to find/replace all instances of AddData on the wiki and replace it with something else | 19:40 |
| nkinkade | akozak: What do you propose? | 19:41 |
| nkinkade | Should I revert the update? | 19:41 |
| akozak | nkinkade, that's one option, the other is to install the find/replace mediawiki extension and just update the form links (or I can do it manually) | 19:41 |
| akozak | I'm looking into what the URLs need to be changed to | 19:42 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I'll let you decide which is the best route. | 19:42 |
| akozak | nkinkade, ok I'll get back to you asap. | 19:42 |
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| akozak | nkinkade, I should be able to do it all manually | 19:45 |
| akozak | I can search for AddData and replace it with FormEdit | 19:45 |
| akozak | nkinkade, ah looks like somethings up with Semantic Maps | 19:46 |
| akozak | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Events | 19:46 |
| greg-g | glad someone asked me about the grants thing :/ | 19:47 |
| akozak | thanks greg-g :) | 19:47 |
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| mralex | JED3: if your search engine api notes handy can you send me a copy? | 20:02 |
| JED3 | mralex: http://code.google.com/p/google-ajax-apis/issues/detail?id=439 | 20:09 |
| akozak | nkinkade, sending an email about the updates | 20:10 |
| akozak | I'll just list and link to the extensions that should probably be updated | 20:10 |
| JED3 | mralex: http://10.0.2.123/search/ built this while ago when i was playing with the google image api | 20:51 |
| mralex | JED3: hmmm, nifty | 20:51 |
| mralex | JED3: i've built out this ui, no js yet, http://10.0.2.178/~bse/search/ | 20:52 |
| JED3 | oo00oo sexy | 20:53 |
| mralex | JED3: i was thinking of maybe including a short sleection of search results under the search bar, with a More Results link. | 20:54 |
| mralex | thus api hooks | 20:55 |
| JED3 | mralex: hey thats a pretty good idea | 20:55 |
| JED3 | that makes the user-with-javascript-disabled story really easy to accommodate, if they don't have js enabled, they won't get the cool autocompleted results | 20:56 |
| mralex | yeah | 20:56 |
| mralex | but if there were no api available, im not sure what it would do | 20:57 |
| mralex | just go straight to the site, i guess | 20:57 |
| JED3 | whereas i was wracking my brain on how an API powered search would approach that problem | 20:57 |
| JED3 | yeah... | 20:57 |
| mralex | but i like the idea of being able to change provider and see different results instantly. so no api means an extra click. | 20:58 |
| JED3 | let me see if i can find the spread sheet i was using to track the cc REST parameters for each service | 20:58 |
| JED3 | even a 1st result from each provider would be neat | 20:58 |
| JED3 | typing in "cat" would show a photo from flickr, an article wikipedia, a video at blip, etc... | 20:59 |
| mralex | i know paulproteus would say just screen scrape ;) | 20:59 |
| mralex | oh i ee | 20:59 |
| mralex | see | 20:59 |
| mralex | yeah, that's an option | 20:59 |
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| mralex | JED3: i see search.WebSearch and search.ImageSearch both have setRestrictions methods; i wonder if you could use the ImageSearch usage restrictions constants in the WebSearch? | 21:38 |
| JED3 | mralex: you can't :/ | 21:38 |
| mralex | aw :/ | 21:38 |
| JED3 | yeah, the license filters in ImageSearch are relatively new | 21:39 |
| JED3 | just a couple months old i think | 21:39 |
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| paulproteus | D'oh, /me wants to look at mralex's UI but can't. | 21:40 |
| mralex | paulproteus: voila, http://a6.creativecommons.org/~alex/search/ | 21:42 |
| paulproteus | mralex: Yay! | 21:42 |
| nkinkade | mralex: The big yellow box "This isn't what I was looking for!" is great. | 21:44 |
| paulproteus | (seriously great.) | 21:46 |
| mralex | thanks | 21:47 |
| mralex | all it needs now is the js backend from the current one, and it'll probably be functional. | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | mralex: oh wow, NICE! | 21:47 |
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| akozak | nkinkade, jane pointed out to me that drilldown is currently broken as well | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Yeah, I'm upgrading things now, but it's going slow because of the way we do things with git-svn. | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | I've hit some snags. | 22:00 |
| akozak | nkinkade, no problem. let me know if i can help with anything. | 22:00 |
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| nkinkade | akozak: What's a URL where I check Drilldown | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | ? | 22:04 |
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| akozak | nkinkade, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:BrowseData/Organization?_single | 22:04 |
| akozak | looks to be fine | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I just upgraded it. | 22:04 |
| akozak | :) | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I also updated ParserFunctions, I think, is there a way you know to check it? | 22:04 |
| akozak | nkinkade, not other than looking at Special:Version and making sure none of my templates are broken. | 22:05 |
| akozak | I'll poke around | 22:05 |
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| nkinkade | akozak: I upgraded SemanticMaps but /Events is now emitting an error. | 23:09 |
| nkinkade | Just mentioning such that 4 eyes are better than 2. | 23:09 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: ping | 23:10 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Yeah. | 23:10 |
| JED3 | hey, do you know much about CiviMember? | 23:10 |
| JED3 | specifically the "Membership Types" | 23:10 |
| akozak | nkinkade, could be because Semantic Maps depends on Maps? | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Maps is up to 0.6.2 also. | 23:11 |
| akozak | ah | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | Looks like it could be the ext. Validator. | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | Dammit MW is a pain in the ass. | 23:11 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: could we use the Membership Types rules to decide who gets a profile? | 23:12 |
| akozak | why's that? :P | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | Upgrading it always seems to be a pain in the ass, and extensions are a pain in the ass, and recently it seems to have been behind the problems on a7. | 23:13 |
| nkinkade | I just never seem to touch MW, but it causes me grief. | 23:13 |
| akozak | uh oh. | 23:13 |
| akozak | well let's see if I can't help with it. | 23:14 |
| akozak | ah | 23:16 |
| akozak | nkinkade, looks like we need a new extension for semantic maps and maps | 23:17 |
| akozak | which is... annoying | 23:17 |
| akozak | http://mapping.referata.com/wiki/Template:Semantic_Maps_0.6.2_dependencies | 23:17 |
| akozak | nkinkade, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Validator | 23:17 |
| nkinkade | akozak: We already have that extension, but it's version is 0.2 | 23:17 |
| akozak | ah | 23:17 |
| nkinkade | I'm installing the new one. | 23:17 |
| akozak | ok thanks nkinkade. I forgot about that dependency. | 23:18 |
| nkinkade | There has got to be a better way for all to be managed. | 23:18 |
| nkinkade | This is like RPM dependency hell, but in MW. | 23:18 |
| nkinkade | Those days were gone with good package managers. | 23:19 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yea i agree. but my preference would be for less extension proliferation. | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | extensions are good, but it's gets ugly when you have all these dependencies. | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | And the whole "semantic" clusterfuck is a good example. | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | I feel certain that some of the semantic-type extensions we wrote no longer work. | 23:21 |
| akozak | probably | 23:21 |
| akozak | not sure what the solution is though. the semantic suite is still sort of in its infancy | 23:22 |
| akozak | or maybe its been taken as far as it can go | 23:22 |
| akozak | given the limitations | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | Modularity is good, but none of these things is huge in terms of space. It would be nice if you just installed a semantic "suite" and with it you get all the stuff you need ... else add some sort of dependency checking and resolution feature. Neither is practical, it seems. | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Is there supposed to be a map on /Events? | 23:26 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yea working on it now | 23:26 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yaron koren created teh semantic bundle a while back | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | I think all the pieces are updated now. | 23:26 |
| akozak | which is supposed to be that | 23:26 |
| akozak | ok cool thanks | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | But the maps aren't working? | 23:26 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yea atm | 23:27 |
| akozak | I'm trying to figure out why | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Is it something that I overlooked during the upgrades? | 23:27 |
| akozak | nkinkade, oh looks like I need to update the database and run a data update | 23:29 |
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