| mralex | nkinkade: now that's out of my system.. i'll fix the dorky icon. | 00:06 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: fixed and committed to the local repo. | 00:28 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Thanks. | 00:35 |
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| Phoxis | hello | 02:54 |
| Phoxis | i have a question | 02:54 |
| Phoxis | i am the author of a blog, and it is already under CC-BY-SA | 02:54 |
| Phoxis | but for some purpouses i do not want to allow people to remix my works, instead want them to ask me before they do, and thus i have decided to change to CC-NC-ND | 02:55 |
| Phoxis | is is possible to change the license from CC-BY-SA to CC-NC-ND ? | 02:55 |
| Phoxis | when i am the author ? | 02:55 |
| karlcow | Phoxis: for the new content yes. But you can't forbid what has already been done in the past. If someone already did something with your content under your license they had the right to do it. | 02:57 |
| Phoxis | no i will not restrict previous remixes done with the existing licenses, but can the existing posts be re-licensed under CC-NC-ND ? | 03:01 |
| Phoxis | i want to do this to stop any random use of the content, instead if someone approaches me , i could inspect and wave the ND condition | 03:02 |
| Phoxis | karlcow: I mean will it be a violation of the CC license i am using now (CC-BY-SA) if the author changes the license, probably with some kind of notice or else. | 03:03 |
| Phoxis | i have read "What if I change my mind?" portion in http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Before_Licensing page, and it allows me to change the existing license, but the changes will not be applicable to the other copied or derivative works | 03:13 |
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| Phoxis1 | i want my works to be shared to who are interested, but do not want a spam site to just copy my work and use it, which site simply runs upon copied contents | 09:23 |
| Phoxis1 | does CC protect me from this ? | 09:23 |
| erlehmann | Phoxis1, what is a „spam site“ ? sites are usually navigated to by users themselves. | 09:41 |
| Phoxis1 | a splog | 09:42 |
| Phoxis1 | which autocopies contents | 09:42 |
| Phoxis1 | or a manual spammer | 09:42 |
| Phoxis1 | i want my stuffs to be shared productively and to correct people | 09:42 |
| erlehmann | Phoxis1, cc is free-for-all, if they obey the restrictions. also, why do you hate boingboing ? | 09:50 |
| Phoxis1 | whats boingboing ? | 09:50 |
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| erlehmann | igorlukanin, hello there | 10:51 |
| erlehmann | my plugin is usable. not done, but it generates nicely styled RDFa-enriched markup | 10:51 |
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| igorlukanin | erlehmann: Sounds nice. I think I'd have to test my extension to interpret the markup back to license definition a bit later | 10:58 |
| erlehmann | igorlukanin, WILL YOU DO HTML5 MICRODATA | 11:03 |
| erlehmann | HTML5 MICRODATA, DO YOU SPEAK IT | 11:03 |
| igorlukanin | erlehmann: What is this CAPS for, then? :) In fact, I wasn't planning to support it, but this may be an interesting alternative to supporting RDF/a in embedded objects | 11:06 |
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| erlehmann | nkinkade, nyergler: http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/wordpress-cc-plugin/releases/wordpress-cc-plugin-0.4.tar.gz | 11:48 |
| erlehmann | it works and looks good. | 11:48 |
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| greg-g | erlehmann: since neither nkinkade nor nyergler are online right now, they won't see that | 12:39 |
| erlehmann | greg-g, they read logs, dont they ? | 12:40 |
| greg-g | erlehmann: not really | 12:43 |
| erlehmann | then i will repeat myself when the time comes | 12:43 |
| greg-g | good deal | 12:44 |
| erlehmann | greg-g, do you want to test the plugin? i am looking for feedback. | 12:53 |
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| akila87 | hello paroneayea, | 15:17 |
| paroneayea | yo akila87 | 15:18 |
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| paroneayea | how goes | 15:18 |
| akila87 | i cahnged the license insertion GUI and going to add the CC0 | 15:18 |
| paroneayea | cool. Have you pushed those commits and made another release to the ccooo test page? | 15:21 |
| akila87 | whats your idea about the new layout http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/j2sJoPsx23kMiYDeSZBtCA?feat=directlink | 15:22 |
| akila87 | no not yet | 15:22 |
| paroneayea | looking | 15:22 |
| akila87 | i thought i should ask from you at first. | 15:22 |
| paroneayea | oh that looks nice | 15:23 |
| akila87 | sorry i was little bit busy last few days | 15:23 |
| akila87 | hope i could have done more. | 15:24 |
| akila87 | is it ok if I post the blog post in the week end? | 15:24 |
| paroneayea | sure | 15:25 |
| paroneayea | Please do commit and push those changes to SVN soon though | 15:25 |
| paroneayea | I just got back from vacation so I'm catching up a bit :) | 15:26 |
| akila87 | sure i'll test them bit more and put them as soon as possible | 15:26 |
| akila87 | and what do you think about the wizard | 15:26 |
| akila87 | in MS addin they separated the 3 steps and put them in three dialogs | 15:27 |
| akila87 | I'm little confused about what is the best way. | 15:28 |
| paroneayea | Maybe we should talk to Nathan Yergler about that, but I tend to think that keeping it in one step makes more sense, to keep things like http://creativecommons.org/choose/ | 15:29 |
| paroneayea | personally I would think 3 separate dialogs would be unnecessary, maybe irritating. But also personally I don't like having to go through too many pages of a wizard if unnecessary :) | 15:31 |
| akila87 | ya actually i fellowed that layout. clicking next next... will be very annoying | 15:31 |
| akila87 | but we can put wizard for CC0 | 15:32 |
| akila87 | something like this http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero | 15:33 |
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| paroneayea | Yes, following that same process mostly makes sense I think | 15:36 |
| paroneayea | the main question I have is | 15:36 |
| paroneayea | how will the user select between CC0 and the main CC licenses in the first place? | 15:36 |
| akila87 | for that we will have to put a wizard | 15:37 |
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| paroneayea | so do you mean, there will be a first dialog like: | 15:38 |
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| paroneayea | ____________________ | 15:39 |
| paroneayea | | | | 15:39 |
| paroneayea | | o Select normal CC | | 15:39 |
| paroneayea | | license | | 15:39 |
| paroneayea | | o Select CC0 | | 15:39 |
| paroneayea | |____________[ Next ]| | 15:39 |
| akila87 | ya first to select between CC0 and CC and if needed we can add PD also | 15:39 |
| akila87 | and i thought of having an option to select 3 (some number) previously used licenses in the first dialog | 15:40 |
| paroneayea | Hm. | 15:41 |
| akila87 | so the user can select one at once (if he know the thing already) | 15:41 |
| akila87 | will that make a sense? | 15:42 |
| paroneayea | Maybe. But I also wonder if that's a bit of overengineering. | 15:42 |
| paroneayea | well maybe not | 15:42 |
| paroneayea | I suppose that does make sense. | 15:43 |
| paroneayea | Probably that shouldn't show up at all unless the user has already selected a license, not even as grayed out, to reduce confusion for first-time users | 15:44 |
| paroneayea | This might be a nice feature, but I think it should be saved for last. | 15:44 |
| akila87 | yes | 15:44 |
| akila87 | making this as simple as possible will be the better thing. | 15:45 |
| paroneayea | Yeah. | 15:45 |
| akila87 | even some of my friends got confused with the terminology like share alike. | 15:45 |
| akila87 | so adding further options will definitely confuse the user | 15:46 |
| paroneayea | the first pre-selection dialog even at all creates confusion for people who don't even know what CC0 or the public domain is and expect to just select a license, like on /choose/ | 15:47 |
| paroneayea | Hm, I guess that confusion is somewhat inevitable | 15:48 |
| akila87 | ya thats true | 15:48 |
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| paroneayea | there's one of two ways to reduce that confusion | 15:48 |
| paroneayea | well maybe three ways | 15:49 |
| paroneayea | 1) Have strong wording encouraging normal CC license process as the default in that first dialog box, and have that as the default selected radio option already | 15:49 |
| paroneayea | 2) Simply have the normal licenses /choose/ like page be the default as it is now, but have an option or button from that page to "jump" to the CC0 chooser | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | 3) have the CC licenses selection and CC0 wizard be separate menu options entirely | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | all of those are confusing in separate ways I guess :) | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | hopefully I'm not making things too confusing by posing all of them. | 15:52 |
| akila87 | nope :) | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | does that make sense, and what do you think? Maybe this is something that would be wise to run by nathan | 15:52 |
| akila87 | ya i also agree. | 15:52 |
| akila87 | i like the second option | 15:53 |
| akila87 | we can put something like "If you want to allow the public use of your creation without any restrictions you can try this licenses" | 15:55 |
| akila87 | in the bottom of the dialog | 15:55 |
| akila87 | something that won't make them afraid :) | 15:56 |
| paroneayea | that may be a good idea. Although CC0 is not technically a license :) | 15:56 |
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| akila87 | ya i mean something appropriate, like these "options" | 15:57 |
| paroneayea | right | 15:57 |
| nyergler | welcome back, paroneayea | 15:59 |
| paroneayea | I would say we could pastebin this conversation and link it to nyergler but maybe that would be rude. I guess I'll formulate an email instead :) | 15:59 |
| paroneayea | hey nyergler! | 15:59 |
| paroneayea | yes, good to be back :) | 15:59 |
| paroneayea | brb, making tea | 16:02 |
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| erlehmann | nkinkade, check out the repository, the plugin should me something like 90% functional for day-to-day use. only some css fixes remain. and showing the license in the media manager overview. and microdata. and cleaning up th FIXEMEs and TODOs an the source code. and microdata … but otherwise, it works pretty well. | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | erlehmann: I'll take a look shortly. | 17:23 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea, nkinkade: fyi the SF staff is doing a welcome lunch for interns off site @ noon, so we may be a few minutes late for the call (hopefully not, but who knows) | 18:01 |
| nyergler | (the tech call, that is) | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | No problem. | 18:01 |
| erlehmann | nkinkade, any feedback on things I would should fix ? if not, next dev stop is HTML5 Microdata. | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | erlehmann: There are, but we should probably have the conversation via email. | 18:03 |
| erlehmann | okay, shoot me a mail then. :) | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | Also, I'm not totally sure we care to add Microdata ... nyergler may have information on that. | 18:03 |
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| nyergler | i don't think we should add it at this time | 18:04 |
| erlehmann | well, it was my goal for the „everything went better than expected“ scenario | 18:04 |
| erlehmann | okay. less overall complexity then. i'll go write more stylesheets then instead, after fixing the other issues. i like writing stylesheets. | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | I'll outline it in an email but quickly the things I see are this: the RDFa is mostly non-existent and/or broken, the Media Manager doesn't seem re-display the saved licensing/attribution data, for the correct version number your plugin should consult the CC API. | 18:06 |
| erlehmann | argl. okay, got that. | 18:06 |
| erlehmann | everything as planned. | 18:07 |
| erlehmann | :/ | 18:07 |
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| akozak | nyergler, what public address do you think people should email to add a feed into discovered? | 18:17 |
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| nyergler | akozak, webmaster? | 18:22 |
| nyergler | (if so, we should add you to that alias) | 18:22 |
| akozak | nyergler, works for me, unless you'd like to create a DiscoverEd-specific alias | 18:24 |
| nyergler | akozak, i don't think there's evidence of need yet, so i'm fine with webmaster | 18:26 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, can you add akozak to webmaster? | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Done. | 18:28 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Is there any convenient way to determine the most current license version available via the API? | 18:28 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: sure | 18:28 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: http://api.creativecommons.org/rest/staging/license/standard/get | 18:29 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Thanks. | 18:30 |
| JED3 | as long as a version is specified, it'll default to respond with the latest version | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | JED3: What's the "staging" part of that? | 18:30 |
| JED3 | isn't* | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | Is that code live? | 18:30 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: it was the name we used for the release, it should be replacing "dev" very soon | 18:31 |
| JED3 | actually its probably safe for me to do that now... | 18:31 |
| JED3 | nyergler: thoughts on this? | 18:31 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yes its live | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | JED3: But the URL will change? | 18:32 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yes, to "dev", but the version currently running on dev will work in the exact same way | 18:32 |
| JED3 | ... for this use case at least | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | JED3: The /dev/ one returns 2.0. | 18:32 |
| JED3 | ohh nm then heh | 18:33 |
| JED3 | brb | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | JED3: What concerns me is that if I point someone to the working version staging/, what happens when the URL changes in the future? | 18:37 |
| nkinkade | It seems like that shouldn't be a moving target. | 18:37 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: so is cc.engine re-enabled on staging? It looks like everything but /licenses/ is working. | 18:40 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Yeah, it should be, I think. | 18:40 |
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| greenman27 | Anyone want CC for shells? | 20:02 |
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| greg-g | I like shells | 20:02 |
| greg-g | dang | 20:02 |
| paroneayea | greenman27 loves his CC terminal apps | 20:04 |
| greg-g | I was getting ready to say "CC licenses aren't for source code, don't license you new shell under a CC license, use ...." | 20:05 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:05 |
| paroneayea | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Seashells_North_Wales_1985.jpg CC shells! | 20:06 |
| paroneayea | greg-g: :) | 20:07 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:08 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, nyergler, akozak, JED3 -- call on line 2 in a couple minutes? | 20:29 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: sounds good | 20:30 |
| paroneayea | something weird is going on. I have to restart my phone. | 20:31 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, ok, we're dialing in now | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | I'll be on as soon as my phone decides it likes calling again. | 20:32 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, you around? | 20:34 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Yeah. | 20:34 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, are you dialed in? not sure if we're in the alternate universe | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | No, I'm not dialed in. I will now, though. | 20:35 |
| nyergler | thanks :) | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | You missed my name on the call above to call in. | 20:35 |
| nyergler | oops | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | So I didn't see the meeting was about to happen. | 20:35 |
| nyergler | sorry about that | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | One sec. | 20:35 |
| nyergler | oh, right, i was talking to myself :/ | 20:35 |
| nyergler | sorry about that | 20:35 |
| paroneayea | Talking to yourself is a bad habit for a dungeoneer. | 20:57 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: i've moved the latest version of our api to /rest/dev/ now | 21:20 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: in licenses.xml, for jurisdictions with multiple languages, it's the first one that's always the default language, right? | 22:18 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: That's what nyergler has told me in the past. | 22:19 |
| paroneayea | oka | 22:19 |
| paroneayea | y | 22:19 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade, paroneayea: correct | 23:20 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: ping | 23:53 |
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