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| nkinkade | Ha. dmidecode. I couldn't remember that name. That was actually the tool I went searching for when I came across lshw. | 01:13 |
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| Sarck | So, I was thinking of making something like a Creative Commons Culling- a Creative Commons licensed blog that reviews and collects together Creative Commons licensed works, and maybe features some of its own. Does anyone here know a list of Creative Commons works or have any suggestions for review? | 01:38 |
| Sarck | Also, would that be possible/viably legal to do if the blog itself was distributed using a torrent file that includes the individual Creative Commons works that will be reviewed? | 01:42 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: paroneayea: were either of you working on a7 yesterday as the user svn? | 17:40 |
| nkinkade | Actually, I think not ... don't see that either of you logged in. | 17:41 |
| nkinkade | Nm. | 17:41 |
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| paroneayea | augh unicode decode errors aughhh | 19:16 |
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| nkinkade | Whoa: a git-svn clone of the entire CiviCRM source repository is only 500M. Doing an svn checkout of the same takes up around 35G! | 20:26 |
| mralex | woah | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | It took hours and hours to do the checkout, then it left my laptop with only 6G free so I decided to delete it, and it took about 5 hours to rf -rf the thing. | 20:27 |
| mralex | how long did the git clone take? | 20:27 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: any reason why you need all the history of the civicrm repo? | 20:28 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I'm not sure because I did the clone a long time ago. | 20:31 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I didn't need all of the stuff, but I was just being thorough. I had no idea it would be so massive. | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | But it just goes to show how radically more efficient git is at storing data than subversion. | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | 500M compared to 35G | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | for the same files! | 20:33 |
| JED3 | chyeah, thats pretty impressive | 20:33 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: svn externals? | 20:34 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I don't think so. Just loads of files and lots of tags. | 20:34 |
| nkinkade | == lot of duplication in subversion, as I understand it. | 20:34 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: out of curiosity, did you do a du -hs on .git and on .svn | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/civicrm.git/refs/heads | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: No I didn't, just on the entire directories. | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | My understanding is that .svn doesn't contain huge amounts of data. | 20:35 |
| paroneayea | which is why that doesn't make sense to me | 20:36 |
| nkinkade | That it's all on the server. | 20:36 |
| nkinkade | (i could be wrong) | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | because they'd both have the same files in the main directories | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | the non- .git and .svn directories | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | git's compression only happens in .git/ | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | for the packfiles and etc | 20:36 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: But for each tag subversion has a duplicate of every file, I believe. | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | oh I see | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | 20:36 | |
| paroneayea | okay, now I understand | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | that does make sense then | 20:36 |
| nkinkade | But I thought that git didn't store the file multiple times, but just deltas for a given blob. | 20:37 |
| paroneayea | well in .git yes, and that also only happens after repacking | 20:37 |
| nkinkade | So you could have 10,000 branches, and it's essentially free, but in subversion you'd have 10,000 copies of each file. | 20:37 |
| paroneayea | actually, if you commit a file in git, and then commit a second version of it | 20:37 |
| paroneayea | initially it'll have both versions as separate files in their entirelty | 20:38 |
| paroneayea | but when you run git gc is when it efficiently stores the deltas in a pakfile | 20:38 |
| paroneayea | when you do a big checkout it automatically runs git gc several times through the process though | 20:38 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Good to know ... I didn't know that before. | 20:38 |
| paroneayea | that's my understanding anyway | 20:38 |
| nkinkade | My understanding is very high-level and vague at that. But I now have empirical evidence that git stores things a hell of a lot more efficiently than subversion. | 20:39 |
| * paroneayea recommends reading: http://progit.org/book/ch9-0.html | 20:39 | |
| nkinkade | It would be great if CiviCRM were on some DVCS anyway. | 20:39 |
| paroneayea | explains the internals of git very clearly | 20:39 |
| paroneayea | Pro Git is a great book | 20:39 |
| nkinkade | I'll check it out. | 20:40 |
| * paroneayea giving a talk on GitPython tonight | 20:40 | |
| nkinkade | "I have already waited the many hours it took to sync the first time. Doing this for FAI took days. And the repository had the sheer indencency to end up tiny." | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | I remember having read that a while back, when paulproteus pointed me to that article. | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | Now I see what he means. | 20:42 |
| paroneayea | :) | 20:43 |
| paroneayea | yeah git's pakfile system seems really cool | 20:43 |
| paroneayea | which is why I was kind of excited about that git-pakfile based backup system | 20:43 |
| paroneayea | less because of it being a good idea and more because it takes advantage of the git pakfile system, which I think is neat | 20:43 |
| nkinkade | drupal.org said: "The mysql error was: Too many connections." | 20:50 |
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| | | There once was a lawyer from Texas | 21:58 |
| | | who tackled the issues that vex us | 21:58 |
| | | CC is contrived | 21:58 |
| | | when defining "derived" | 21:58 |
| | | So let's switch before arguing wrecks us | 21:58 |
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| paroneayea | lol | 22:13 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Do you have a quick solution for this?: http://zupport.creativecommons.org/node/51 | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | Is that a theme issue? | 22:34 |
| mralex | woah, wtf happened there | 22:35 |
| mralex | nkinkade: zupport is running a newer version of drupal? | 22:36 |
| mralex | as per your email earlier | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | mralex: yeah. | 22:36 |
| mralex | nkinkade: do you have a link to release notes/changes? | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | 6.15, but it wasn't a feature release ... just a bugfix release. | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | I think the most significant update was from Ubercart 2.0 to 2.2 | 22:36 |
| mralex | hmm | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | I doubt the issue is Drupal, that is. | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | but it could be. | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | I also updgraded about 5 or 6 other modules. | 22:37 |
| mralex | i think it's related to how i'm using the attributes ubercart provides for store item photos | 22:37 |
| mralex | ubercart release notes? i guess something changed between 2.0 and 2.2 then | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Ah. | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | The source between live and zupport is quite different. | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | They almost look like 2 diff. pages. | 22:38 |
| mralex | for the ubercart module? | 22:38 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: I'm having a hard time finding any sort of changelog for 2.0 -> 2.2 for Ubercart. | 22:41 |
| nkinkade | I feel like I've had this problem before. Their Upgrading page is not terribly packed with info. | 22:41 |
| mralex | nkinkade: i think i see what changed based on the various output differences. i'll look into it. | 22:42 |
| nkinkade | It's basiclly, login as admin -> remove old files -> add new files -> run update.php -> report bugs. | 22:42 |
| nkinkade | Or something not far from that. | 22:42 |
| nkinkade | mralex: http://bazaar.ubercart.org/history.php | 22:44 |
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| mralex | oh, you know what, i think that rendering error is my fault | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | That's not quite a changelog, but it may help. | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | I noticed the live site isn't rendering quite right even ... well, the titles have HTML in them, that's all. | 22:44 |
| mralex | i guess i quickly updated production to fix the popup attribtion without updating staging | 22:45 |
| mralex | but git should have merged the change back to zupport… weird. | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I'm thinking we should avoid merging at all costs. | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | It might not be a big deal, but merges or anything other than linear commits seems to have a negative impact on upgrades via the git rebase method we are relying on. | 22:46 |
| mralex | nkinkade: oh no, my bad, i mean it's purely a theme issue. nothing related to ubercart code. | 22:47 |
| nkinkade | Oh, good. :-) | 22:47 |
| nkinkade | These days, because branching is so easy with git, I don't really do merges. | 22:48 |
| mralex | yeah. | 22:48 |
| nkinkade | For example, for this upgrade here I just replace zupport with a fresh checkout of cc_production_6.13 and then started working there. | 22:48 |
| nkinkade | When it all looks good I'll just push it origin/cc_production_6.15, then check that out on the live site. | 22:49 |
| mralex | "git pull" or git fetch ; git merge origin/2009 between staging and production :) | 22:49 |
| nkinkade | mralex: So just update 2009? | 22:49 |
| nkinkade | The cc theme is a submodule so it should be just a git pull or checkout. | 22:49 |
| mralex | oh | 22:50 |
| mralex | i see what happened | 22:50 |
| mralex | yeah, theme should be running on the 2009 branch | 22:50 |
| mralex | right now it appers to be in a "(no branch)" limbo state | 22:50 |
| nkinkade | I'll update it. | 22:51 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Ah, yes, that did the trick. Thanks. | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | The "Add to cart" button doesn't look placed right, but it's the same on production at least. | 22:53 |
| mralex | now any weirdness will be software update related :) | 22:53 |
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