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| FLHWEB | Hi, is any one here? | 06:14 |
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| paulproteus | FLHWEB, Yeah, what's up? | 06:22 |
| FLHWEB | Hi, are you an admin of this wiki site? | 06:22 |
| FLHWEB | wiki.creativecommons.org | 06:23 |
| FLHWEB | I meant are you an admin of wiki.creativecommons.org? | 06:23 |
| FLHWEB | . | 06:25 |
| FLHWEB | Is any one here? | 06:25 |
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| FLHWEB | Is any one here? | 06:26 |
| FLHWEB | Is any one an admin of http://wiki.creativecommons.org? | 06:27 |
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| paulproteus | Oops. | 06:34 |
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| JED3 | hi paulproteus | 06:38 |
| paulproteus | Hey now. | 06:39 |
| JED3 | how are things? | 06:39 |
| paulproteus | Well! | 06:43 |
| paulproteus | I want to be more sleepy than I am right now, though. | 06:43 |
| paulproteus | Other than that, all is well. (-; | 06:43 |
| JED3 | ha, well thats good to hear | 06:43 |
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| paroneayea | morning #cc | 16:16 |
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| nathany | paroneayea, ping | 18:58 |
| JED3 | nathany: i'm at my desk, just ping me whenever you two want to meet | 19:04 |
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| nathany | JED3, ok, thanks, in a mtg with mlinksva | 19:06 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: pong | 19:33 |
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| nathany | paroneayea, do you remember when you arrive in SF next week? | 20:07 |
| paroneayea | nathany: hm, yep: 12:40pm this sunday | 20:08 |
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| paroneayea | nathany, JED3: judging by your comments on here, assuming we are doing a check-in or something of some sort? | 20:19 |
| * paroneayea wonders if he missed an email | 20:19 | |
| akozak | Finally, my excessive coffee consumption justified: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/08/coffee-consumption-a.html | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | (happy to do a checkin, just wondering if I missed some prior information) | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | akozak: would love to see their overall fatality likeliness as in terms of blood pressure and other cardiovascular diseases though :) | 20:21 |
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| akozak | paroneayea, true. | 20:23 |
| akozak | although coffee makes me feel so good, i have a hard time seeing how it could be BAD for me... | 20:23 |
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| paroneayea | I suspect that, for most humans, when consumed within moderation, coffee is a fairly neutral substance | 20:24 |
| akozak | that's probably true for most psychoactive drugs though. | 20:25 |
| akozak | i had a professor at berkeley who would just go off on how most of the country are drug addicts and don't even realize it | 20:26 |
| akozak | because of coffee :) | 20:27 |
| akozak | I remember he brought in unroasted coffee beans for us to eat in a lecture hall of about 400 people | 20:27 |
| paroneayea | sweet | 20:30 |
| paroneayea | what do unroasted coffee beans taste like? | 20:30 |
| akozak | not good. | 20:30 |
| akozak | none of the tasty oils have been released, and it's really hard | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coffee_Bean_Structure.svg wikimedia commons has a sweet "coffee bean structure" diagram | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | these things were always my favorite parts of gradeschool/highschool science textbooks | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | I guess college level too | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | my memory is mostly from gradeschool/highschool though, staring into their perfectly chiseled depths while my teacher said things I probably should have paid attention to | 20:32 |
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| nathany | paroneayea, JED3, nkinkade: i actually have to head out shortly after 1 for an appt; can you email me checkins? | 20:55 |
| nathany | we'll have plenty of face time next week | 20:55 |
| paroneayea | nathany: sure! | 20:55 |
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| akozak | Ouch: http://techdirt.com/articles/20091207/1559557238.shtml | 21:32 |
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| JED3 | ugh, those N900 ad's are so annoying | 21:34 |
| JED3 | all over boingboing as well | 21:34 |
| akozak | heh yea | 21:34 |
| JED3 | they just scream "hey look what you can't have" to me | 21:35 |
| akozak | i bet if you loaded these pages in the N900 your browsing would slow to a crawl because of the ads :) | 21:35 |
| JED3 | heh ask paroneayea to investigate | 21:35 |
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| akozak | what? paroneayea has one? | 21:36 |
| JED3 | i thought he did? | 21:36 |
| paroneayea | I have one | 21:36 |
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| paroneayea | where are the ads? | 21:36 |
| paroneayea | oic | 21:36 |
| paroneayea | flashblock hid them | 21:36 |
| akozak | ha | 21:37 |
| JED3 | i just installed chrome an hour or ago and just clicked "set as default browser" a moment ago | 21:37 |
| akozak | that good? | 21:37 |
| JED3 | not sure if its a long term commitment yet :) | 21:37 |
| akozak | haha | 21:38 |
| JED3 | ehh, yeah i hate to admit, but its pretty good | 21:38 |
| akozak | ff extensions work, right? so you can still use firebug? | 21:38 |
| paroneayea | I have considered running chromium but I am not sure how i could live without all my firefox extensions | 21:38 |
| paroneayea | oh they do? | 21:38 |
| JED3 | no i dont think FF extensions work? | 21:38 |
| akozak | maybe not | 21:38 |
| paroneayea | that's surprising | 21:38 |
| akozak | haha | 21:38 |
| paroneayea | heh | 21:38 |
| paroneayea | ok | 21:38 |
| akozak | i guess i don't know how that makes sense at all or where i heard that | 21:39 |
| JED3 | there are "over 300 google extensions!" though | 21:39 |
| akozak | over 300?! | 21:39 |
| paroneayea | how many of those extensions are firebug | 21:39 |
| JED3 | yeah! can you even wrap your brain around that insane number? | 21:39 |
| paroneayea | if the answer is "none" I am not sure how I can use it | 21:39 |
| JED3 | hah same here | 21:40 |
| akozak | i sort of thought i'd start using ubiquity when i installed it, but so far I've used it once maybe | 21:40 |
| JED3 | yeah I was talking to nathan about that at lunch | 21:41 |
| JED3 | those lab projects, for even the people that *should* be the most interested, hardly ever land a conenction with | 21:41 |
| paroneayea | honestly, there are only two firefox extensions I use extensively: | 21:42 |
| paroneayea | - firebug | 21:42 |
| paroneayea | - viewsourcewith | 21:42 |
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| paroneayea | viewsourcewith makes me not hate editing wikis.... right click textbox, view source with emacsclient, edit edit | 21:42 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: me too, but appending mouse gestures to the list for me, which is lame i know | 21:42 |
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| akozak | JED3, I know some people at umich are interested in using Bespin | 21:43 |
| JED3 | oh yeah? for programimng education? | 21:44 |
| akozak | no for development | 21:44 |
| paroneayea | I am kind of surprised that they are starting to push ads for the n900 like that on boingboing and etc | 21:45 |
| paroneayea | considering that plenty of people I know are still waiting for theirs to ship who ordered a few weeks ago | 21:45 |
| paroneayea | I guess that preorder-wait is finally coming to a close though | 21:45 |
| JED3 | http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2009/12/07/streaming-11-am-cto-chopra-and-cio-kundra-launch-open-government-plan anyone know where a recording of this may be? | 21:45 |
| akozak | paroneayea, would you recommend it? | 21:45 |
| paroneayea | akozak: I wrote up some early thoughts here: http://dustycloud.org/blog/view_post/n900/ | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | overall I am pretty pleased | 21:46 |
| JED3 | ahh found it: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2009/12/08/promoting-transparency-government | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | it's very hackable, although there are some completely stupid proprietary bits | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | the "Mer" project looks to alleviate that somewhat though and talking on the mailing lists they're being very cooperative on helping to identify what's proprietary and why | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | overall, having root access and being able to apt-get install python on your phone is awesome | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | and the ui is fantastic | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | morgan (my partner) also has one, and she's a non-hacker, and she loves it | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | main issues are: some bits are still proprietary, and it is expensive. | 21:48 |
| akozak | hmm | 21:48 |
| akozak | it's the expensive bit that gets me. | 21:48 |
| paroneayea | heh... the price on amazon currently is > 200 more than it was a couple of weeks ago. | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | I bought mine for $550 USD | 21:49 |
| akozak | ouch | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | in-store at nokia though, I canceled on amazon because they wouldn't give a pre-order date at the time | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | anyway, yeah. Awesome, hackable device.. not cheap though :P | 21:51 |
| akozak | you can tether with it right? | 21:52 |
| JED3 | http://dpaste.com/130948/plain/ nearly half the people who take a photo that reaches the popularity of Flickr's featured photo go back and remove the CC license from the photo | 21:53 |
| akozak | whaaaat | 21:54 |
| paroneayea | wow | 21:55 |
| paroneayea | that's depressing | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | Forget about the OpenMoko for now. I ate to be saying that, but I think it's the reasonable thing. | 21:56 |
| nkinkade | Mine is in a drawer ... the software is *almost* there but the problem is that it took the software 2+ years to get to where it is and now the hardware is hopelessly outdated. | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | And the mail lists are still full of bug reports, problems, crashes, missed calls. | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | To make it worse, there is a horrendous hardware bug which has a workaround, but you have to send your phone off to have it fixed. | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | There were two actually, and I've already shipped my phone off one for one of the fixes. | 21:58 |
| akozak | Heh, yea, we've come a long way in 2 years. | 21:58 |
| paroneayea | when I bought my openmoko 1973 I told morgan, "I don't expect this to work" | 21:59 |
| paroneayea | "I am investing in the possible future of free phones" | 21:59 |
| paroneayea | and I think that's true at least... I think the openmoko at least showed interest in a free phone at the very least to nokia and intel... the ofono stack they're building is d-bus based and in their presentation pdfs they indicate that they looked at the freesmartphone.org api | 22:00 |
| paroneayea | heh, looks like amazon is charging 799 for the n900 because they can... still going for 569 on the nokia online store | 22:01 |
| paroneayea | but their online store is absolute shit | 22:01 |
| JED3 | akozak: yeah the actual licenses of the photos are fairly distributed with the majority (4) being BY | 22:02 |
| akozak | ah | 22:02 |
| nkinkade | The openmoko-community is still active (maybe 20-30 msgs/day), but it used to me *much* busier. I have noticed a steady decline in posts for months now. | 22:04 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: well, issue is that nobody is *joining* the community... some people are still active and motivated, but there are some people leaving but nobody joining | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | I think people may be realizing that while the OpenMoko was pivotal in some ways, that the current hardware makes it not work pursuing too much anymore. SHR has come a long way, and it's looking quite nice, but at the end of the day you can't get around that glamo graphics chip. | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | Or the lack of a decent keyboard. | 22:06 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yeah, sum is that if the openmoko community doesn't want to die, somoene needs to release a new device. | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | And finally, but not least, GPRS! | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I think you're right. | 22:07 |
| nkinkade | At intervals I used my Freerunner as a daily phone, but each time I got fed up with missing calls, not being able to hear the other person, crashes, the lack of a mobile browser that was worth damn, etc. and would go back to my regular phone. | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | I can say that there was a time when I thought: I can live with GPRS for quick things. Not so. GPRS sucks the big D, and I don't mean Dallas. | 22:08 |
| paroneayea | sucks the big deleware | 22:09 |
| nkinkade | haha | 22:09 |
| nkinkade | The N900 looks pretty neat from your article, but damn, $600+? | 22:09 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Safe to assume that at that cost it's unlocked? | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | < 600 if you buy from nokia's store directly, online or offline | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | all models currently are unlocked | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | afaik | 22:10 |
| akozak | I wish I could get it, but I can barely afford food since I just started paying back my student loans :( | 22:10 |
| nkinkade | Have you encountered any bugs yet? | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | well, the gps kind of sucks sometimes. Usabiltiy-wise, that's about it | 22:11 |
| paroneayea | main bugs are "there are a lot of nonfree blobs and there isn't a free software bootloader" | 22:11 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: carrier is? | 22:11 |
| paroneayea | JED3: I'm using t-mobile but should work w/ any GSM carrier (I don't really know much about cell phone stuffs, but I stuck my sim card it, and a bar appeared that said "3G" :P) | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: What is the browser? | 22:12 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: mozilla fennec! :D | 22:12 |
| JED3 | very cool | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | Are you serious? I didn't think it was released yet? | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | Impressions of Fennec? | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | I had it running on my Freerunner once, but it was too buggy and slow on that hardware to get a good idea. | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | hm, I think it's fennec anyway.. they keep saying it's "mozilla-based" | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | if it isn't fennec, at the very least it's very nice | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | it's snappy, you can zoom in-out with spiral mouse gestures | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | and with maemo 5 if you slide across the screen from left to right a little cursor appears | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | and you can click it and use it like a normal mouse | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | Nice. Well, the phone sure does look pretty. | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | I'll have to take a look at yours next week. | 22:15 |
| nkinkade | One of the main reasons I'd like to have a device like that is for SSH access to the CC servers and mypeer1.com for when a server problem crops up when I'm not at home. | 22:16 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: can't you do that on android devices? | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Yeah. | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | But being donewith.google, I can't bear the though of having an Android device. | 22:16 |
| JED3 | haha, oh yeah, forgot that critical detail | 22:17 |
| paroneayea | I hope the droid isn't the future of android... there are no unlocked/developer versions yet :\ | 22:17 |
| paroneayea | at least with the g1 you could buy a version that gave you root access | 22:18 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: thanks verizon | 22:18 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: https://staging.creativecommons.net/c/AZq6l/ | 22:21 |
| JED3 | wheres your rdfa? ;) | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | JED3: nice! | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | ohnoes | 22:22 |
| akozak | haha | 22:22 |
| JED3 | haha | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | that means you're examining my terrible site D: | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | yeah okay so the deal is about my site | 22:22 |
| akozak | its a livejournal? | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | two years ago I was like, "This is going to be the future of all my creative endeavors" | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | and I half-assed programmed a blog and a bunch of other things | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | and was like, "I will finish these later" | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | which I have not done | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | so rdfa is still on that list of "things I really should do but haven't" | 22:23 |
| JED3 | haha no worries | 22:23 |
| * JED3 never finished his site and has no room to talk | 22:24 | |
| paroneayea | *whew* | 22:24 |
| JED3 | quite literally | 22:24 |
| akozak | i deactivated mine because it wasn't worth the daily 5 cent database charge | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | well I have my site hosted on linode... and I gotta say, *that* much is awesome | 22:25 |
| JED3 | linode eh? | 22:26 |
| paroneayea | also run an xmpp server and my own mail server and everything on there. | 22:26 |
| akozak | interesting | 22:26 |
| paroneayea | yeah I used to be on webfaction but I always felt like i was in a straitjacket on there | 22:26 |
| JED3 | yeah i'm on webfaction now | 22:26 |
| JED3 | and agree with that statement | 22:27 |
| paroneayea | main issue with linode is if you take their smallest plan (which I have) your memory cap is pretty tiny if you're running multiple sites, a mail server, an xmpp server, and some other stuff | 22:27 |
| akozak | I use NearlyFreeSpeech but admittedly don't use it for anything beyond a cms | 22:27 |
| akozak | very cheap though | 22:28 |
| JED3 | i have a webfaction account with 120MB memory usage, and am consistently topping around 220MB | 22:28 |
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| JED3 | they'll kill a process every other month, but overall they are really laid back about my overusage | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | My linode server has 360mb memory free | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | er, | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | not free :) | 22:29 |
| JED3 | haha | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | 360mb allowed | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | you know what really pisses me off though? site 5 and dreamhost and companies like that | 22:30 |
| paroneayea | which promise "unlimited!" bandwidth/disk/etc | 22:30 |
| paroneayea | where they really mean: | 22:30 |
| paroneayea | "we won't tell you when we will cap you and disconnect you and force you to move to a more expensive server" | 22:30 |
| JED3 | haha | 22:30 |
| JED3 | you only pay 7 dollars more than I do :/ | 22:31 |
| JED3 | i think 7 bucks might be worth root access | 22:31 |
| paroneayea | 7 dollars of freedom and root access :) | 22:31 |
| paroneayea | and apt-get | 22:31 |
| paroneayea | and no port negotiation | 22:31 |
| JED3 | do you have xen access? | 22:32 |
| JED3 | say if you bought multiple vpn accounts | 22:32 |
| JED3 | can you communicate to your other vm's through xen? | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | there is some web interface where you can modify allocations | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | oh hm | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | I don't know about that. | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | I don't know much about xen. | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | I just have one instance running | 22:32 |
| JED3 | ahh okay | 22:33 |
| JED3 | while on the topic, I see Media Temple badges and love everywhere, are those just happy customers or do they provide free hosting often? | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I have all my personal stuff on a Linode as well. It's well worth the $20/mo to have all the things that paroneayea said. The resources are somewhat limited, like he says, but I haven't had a problem yet, not for the relatively simple stuff I do. | 22:35 |
| JED3 | and no port limitiations? | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | Apache, ViewVC, gitweb, my own mail server (Postfix). | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | Port limitations? | 22:36 |
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| paroneayea | yeah, no port limitations on linode | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | You mean blocking 25 or somethign like that? | 22:36 |
| JED3 | yes | 22:36 |
| paroneayea | and on a vps, you'll never need to beg for a free port to run svn off of | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | No, no blocks that I know of. I also used to have a Dreamhost account, but realized that the little extra money a month was worth it to have root access, and apt ... as paroneayea said. | 22:37 |
| paroneayea | or anything | 22:37 |
| paroneayea | well I don't run svn any more, but when I did I always found that irritating | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | CC's Asterisk install is running on a Linode. | 22:37 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: really? awesome! | 22:37 |
| paroneayea | well it seems to hold up pretty well | 22:38 |
| paroneayea | how's the bandwidth usage | 22:38 |
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| paroneayea | for asterisk | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | Getting a custom kernel compiled and working in that Xen environment was a chore, but I finally got it. | 22:38 |
| paroneayea | heh, I imagine so | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | I don't think the bandwidth is an issue really. I haven't checked but will tomorrow. | 22:38 |
| paroneayea | cool | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | I don't think it takes too too much for each virtual line (64kbps?) | 22:39 |
| paroneayea | yeah that's one thing I've never seen ever be an issue on my linode account | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | My main concern was for CPU and memory, but it seems to work well enough. | 22:39 |
| paroneayea | nobody looks at my site enough for me to ever cross the 1% mark of network usage :) | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | Me either. :-) | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | The disc allotment is fairly small at 12GB, but I've still got 4G free, which for the things I do there I have problem. | 22:40 |
| nkinkade | * have NO problem, that is. | 22:40 |
| nkinkade | I wholeheartedly recommend Linode. My experience there over the past 9 or 10 months have been very good. | 22:40 |
| nkinkade | The instances are nearly indestructible because if everything goes to shit (and that happened on CC's linode getting that kernel going), you've always got Lish from which point you can restore/recover from just about anything. | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | yeah lish is nice. Almost too nice. I wonder what they're running for that, if it's some generic free software or something in-house | 22:45 |
| JED3 | wow just noticed google's real time search | 22:45 |
| JED3 | queried for "lish" and got tweets as the first results | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT9ho2G0N_Y | 22:49 |
| nkinkade | (irony alert: that is playing on a Google site) | 22:50 |
| JED3 | ha i love how cancelling the first 2 comments on that video are | 22:51 |
| nkinkade | It's sort of silly, but the concept of Googlezon is fairly reasonable. | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | Well, not reasonable, but not unlikely. | 22:53 |
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| JED3 | hahaha "Winston Smith" on the Google id card | 22:57 |
| JED3 | that almost ruins this for me | 22:57 |
| JED3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQDBhg60UNI#t=5m00s | 22:58 |
| akozak | hahaha | 22:59 |
| akozak | makes it so, so much better | 22:59 |
| JED3 | sigh, using 1984 is such a trite association | 22:59 |
| akozak | agreed | 23:00 |
| JED3 | however I did giggle when i saw that | 23:00 |
| akozak | Gotta admit, I don't buy into google FUD | 23:00 |
| akozak | but i don't think it's unreasonable to be cautious | 23:00 |
| paroneayea | here's a fun mindgame: | 23:01 |
| paroneayea | imagine google was sold to a company you don't like | 23:01 |
| paroneayea | including all of your personal data and profiling | 23:01 |
| akozak | sure, but it's not like your data is secure anywhere anyway. subpoenas are quite powerful forces. | 23:02 |
| paroneayea | when you have one big central hub of information | 23:02 |
| paroneayea | it's much easier, and very tempting | 23:02 |
| paroneayea | to tap and control that central hub | 23:02 |
| paroneayea | hence, I am interested in decentralized services | 23:02 |
| akozak | I don't think that decentralization is a lasting solution. | 23:03 |
| akozak | There will always be a google to centrilize the decentrilized | 23:03 |
| akozak | oops bad spelling | 23:03 |
| paroneayea | whaaat | 23:03 |
| nkinkade | I'm also on a major rant against Facebook. | 23:03 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: with you there ;) | 23:04 |
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| paroneayea | okay, yes, i also think there will always be a "big popular centralizer" | 23:04 |
| nkinkade | The reason being that when people upload their content there they are basically selling out their friend and family to the advertisers. | 23:04 |
| JED3 | and partially on the stance against Google, but I do fear Google like I do the others | 23:04 |
| paroneayea | but not resisting it? | 23:04 |
| JED3 | dont* | 23:04 |
| paroneayea | "<akozak> I don't think that decentralization is a lasting solution." | 23:05 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Who are the "others?" | 23:05 |
| JED3 | namely Facebook and its associates | 23:05 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: I don't think people who go on facebook are "selling out" their family and associates because I don't think most people are educated of it as a thread | 23:06 |
| paroneayea | er, threat | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | My issues with Facebook are less privacy related and more related to people being fine with obligating their friends and family to register with a mega advertising firm just to looks at some pictures. | 23:06 |
| JED3 | Quicken is one I fear the most | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | Because let's face it, Facebook, is just a massive advertising/marketing firm. | 23:06 |
| akozak | Isn't resistance to targeted ads just resistance to commercialism though? | 23:06 |
| akozak | And resistance to advertising in general? | 23:07 |
| paroneayea | not all advertisement is targeted based off of individualized profiling | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | I'm will to accept that a good free service needs to make money somehow, I just don't like people presuming that I'll be fine with registering to see the stuff. | 23:07 |
| paroneayea | for example, google's *original* adsense wasn't indiviually profiled | 23:07 |
| akozak | I mean all of the problems associated with FB are there in every major platform that uses behavioral tracking and user data | 23:07 |
| paroneayea | it was profiled off of the contents of the site itself | 23:07 |
| paroneayea | akozak: yes, agreed there | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, but with Google I can still use a lot of their services without need an account. | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | The two main ones that come to mind are Google Search and Maps. | 23:08 |
| akozak | nkinkade, they still track you btw :/ | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I don't accept cookies from Google. | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | Or any site. | 23:08 |
| akozak | ooohh | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | For that matter. | 23:08 |
| paroneayea | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/03/google-begins-behavioral-targeting-ad-program | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | I accept cookies from about <10 sites. | 23:08 |
| akozak | hardcore! can't wait to meet you nkinkade! :) | 23:09 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I use Google Apps for CC in a separate instance of Firefox running on a profile that accepts cookies. | 23:09 |
| akozak | nkinkade, can't they track your ip? | 23:09 |
| akozak | and then just associate the two after the fact? | 23:10 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Perhaps, but I try my best. | 23:10 |
| akozak | :) | 23:10 |
| JED3 | ahh damn, I was hoping to hear "Tor" | 23:10 |
| akozak | me too | 23:10 |
| akozak | that would be awesome | 23:10 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Maybe I need to start using TOR. I'll have to set it up on my Linode. | 23:10 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: you should just use that machine as a proxy | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | And as inconvenient as it is, in my Google Apps instance of Firefox, when I need to click on a link in an email or something, I right click, copy link address, and paste it into my my Firefox instance. | 23:11 |
| paroneayea | haha, now that really *is* hardcore | 23:12 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: I'm about to make your day then | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | JED3: But the IP would be even more consistent then, because that machine has a static IP. | 23:12 |
| paroneayea | although for now I just skip google apps | 23:12 |
| JED3 | check out 3.6 release notes | 23:12 |
| paroneayea | I have it all forward to my cwebber@dustycloud.org account | 23:12 |
| JED3 | right click "open in other profile" option | 23:12 |
| paroneayea | except for the google calendar :( | 23:12 |
| paroneayea | which I can't seem to avoid. | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | JED3: You just did make my day! | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | I was asking paulproteus some time back how hard it would be to write an addon that would let me do that! | 23:13 |
| JED3 | I am almost certain that I read that the other day | 23:13 |
| JED3 | don't hate me if i am wrong :) | 23:13 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Yeah, but I want to keep a separation between my personal and work email. | 23:13 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yeah I suppose that is valid | 23:13 |
| paroneayea | I guess i feel like since I am sitting here stewing in my messy apartment all day anyway | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I won't hate you, but I'll be very disappointed in you and you'll have to work to gain my trust again. | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | haha. | 23:14 |
| paroneayea | my work persona and outside of work persona are not much different | 23:14 |
| * paulproteus waves | 23:14 | |
| paroneayea | just depends on what I'm working on at what scheduled hours | 23:14 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: re: google and your linode, isn't it preferred that google is only able to make a single (albeit remote) association for you as a user and a machine, rather than you in several different locations (different wifi networks, home, etc)? | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I guess in a sense my work stuff melds with my daily life. My CC laptop is basically my main/daily machine. | 23:14 |
| akozak | heya paulproteus! | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Hi. | 23:14 |
| paulproteus | Help, I'm surrounded! | 23:15 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I don't know. If I don't accept cookies from Google how will they be able to associate things I view from IP to another? | 23:15 |
| JED3 | but you do accept in the instance of FF that you allow right? | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Right. | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | I guess I can see where you're coming from. | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | Here's the solution: Only proxy my Google Apps instance of Firefox through TOR. | 23:17 |
| nkinkade | I may try to set that up tonight. I'll to learn more about TOR first. | 23:17 |
| paroneayea | --------- | 23:18 |
| paroneayea | |.aaaa..| #### | 23:18 |
| paroneayea | |aa@aaaa-## "Help, I'm surrounded!" | 23:18 |
| paroneayea | |.aa.../| | 23:18 |
| paroneayea | --------- | 23:18 |
| paroneayea | okay hm, that joke's not funny unless you've wasted a lot of time playing nethack, and probably not even then | 23:18 |
| JED3 | yeah thatd work, but tor is so painfully slow | 23:18 |
| paroneayea | how do i delete irc????? | 23:18 |
| JED3 | if you're linode is public, google already knows that machine's you, especially when @nkinca.de emails get routing your way ;) | 23:19 |
| paroneayea | if you want to use tor nicely just connect to an existing tor instance that is not you | 23:19 |
| akozak | that is an awesome domain | 23:20 |
| akozak | i wonder if there's a .ak | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | nkinca.de? | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | nkinka.de | 23:21 |
| akozak | yea | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | http://natha.nkinka.de | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 23:21 |
| akozak | err uea | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | I have to give credit to paulproteus for coming up with that one. | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | And email nath@nkinka.de. Hilarious. | 23:21 |
| JED3 | whoa, tell me you have "nath" as your email user | 23:21 |
| JED3 | haha | 23:21 |
| JED3 | yes | 23:21 |
| paroneayea | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/07/schmidt_on_privacy/ | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | Sadly, Yahoo!, Hotmail and some other provides seem to filter my mails a spam ... presumably for nothing more than the .de domain. | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | But it's worth it because I laugh at my email address every time I see it. | 23:22 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 23:22 |
| JED3 | those damn dirty dane spamming everyone up | 23:23 |
| JED3 | danes* | 23:23 |
| akozak | wrong domain, that's .dk | 23:24 |
| JED3 | ahh, dang | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | It's hilarious too because my Dspam instance filters a lot of spam in German. | 23:25 |
| nkinkade | Dspam is great, by the way. | 23:26 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: speaking of which, how goes geociti.es? | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | Spam hardly *ever* makes it into my inbox. I know freely publish and paste my email address unadulterated anywhere I want. | 23:26 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: dspam looks really neat | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | s/know/now/ | 23:26 |
| paroneayea | hm! | 23:26 |
| paroneayea | maybe I should start using it | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I highly recommend it. paulproteus was the one who pointed me toward it a while back. | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus has recommended many good things to me over the past few years. | 23:27 |
| paroneayea | awesome | 23:28 |
| paroneayea | made a todo note | 23:28 |
| paroneayea | yeah I'm getting tired of spamassassin | 23:28 |
| * paulproteus blushes. | 23:28 | |
| paroneayea | also I run it on my local machine instead of on my server | 23:28 |
| paroneayea | and I am thinking server-side filtering probably makes more sense? | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: It took me a while to figure out how to get Dspam configured. If you have any question I can give you a hand. | 23:28 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: greatly appreciated! | 23:28 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: oh speaking of configuring things, my friend recently said that "configuration-wise, asterisk seems like the new sendmail" | 23:29 |
| paroneayea | would you agree? :) | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I have only had to poke around in 2 config files, thankfully, because it does get pretty involved. | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | But the default install on Debian seems to have some good defaults. | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | Maybe Asterisk is the new Squid in terms of configuration .. that's another good analogy. | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | But I do appreciate plain text config files with loads of comments, and unlike Squid, the Asterisk config files are broken out. | 23:31 |
| paroneayea | cool | 23:36 |
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| * paroneayea is puzzled | 23:39 | |
| paroneayea | <p> | 23:39 |
| paroneayea | <input TYPE="submit" value="Select a License" i18n:attributes="value license.Select_a_License;"> | 23:39 |
| paroneayea | </form> | 23:39 |
| paroneayea | 23:39 | |
| paroneayea | that's not valid xml/xhtml... how did zpt allow this previously? | 23:40 |
| paroneayea | I thought zpt awas strict about this stuff | 23:40 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: I was wrong :( | 23:48 |
| nkinkade | JED3: About what? | 23:48 |
| JED3 | what i had remembered seeing was http://br.mozdev.org/multifox/ | 23:48 |
| JED3 | did not read far enough in to release that isn't what you want | 23:48 |
| JED3 | relize* | 23:49 |
| JED3 | realize* | 23:49 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I don't know if we can be friends anymore, even though we'll be forced to work with one another. | 23:50 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 23:50 |
| JED3 | haha | 23:50 |
| JED3 | this might be a candidate for extending into what you want https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/379 | 23:51 |
| nkinkade | But that plugin is *almost* what I want. I wonder if it could be modified to do what I want. | 23:51 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yeah i dont know, i tried to imagine how to get that to work, but couldnt | 23:51 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I had found that Open Link In addon back when I was looking into this stuff. | 23:51 |
| nkinkade | I've got sort of used to Copy Link Location and pasting. | 23:52 |
| JED3 | oh you know what might work? | 23:52 |
| nkinkade | It's not too too much of an inconvenience, and I've got quick at doing it from practice. | 23:52 |
| nkinkade | what? | 23:52 |
| JED3 | running Gmail in a Prism instance | 23:53 |
| JED3 | or whatever google app for that matter | 23:53 |
| nkinkade | I'm not familiar with Prism. | 23:54 |
| nkinkade | But this is starting to get complicated. haha | 23:54 |
| JED3 | http://mozillalabs.com/blog/2007/10/prism/ | 23:54 |
| JED3 | haha yeah, but now I'm interested in this for my own use! | 23:54 |
| nkinkade | Kids these days ... don't want to do anything by hand anymore. | 23:54 |
| nkinkade | Let me check that out. | 23:55 |
| akozak | haha | 23:55 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: How will Prism do what we want? Maybe I didn't read far enough. Sort of seems like tabs split out into their own window and that appear to the OS as a normal app. | 23:57 |
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