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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 02:08 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons | 03:33 |
| JoiIto | Screen shot 2009-10-05 at 12.35.06 PM.png | 03:35 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 03:40 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons | 03:49 |
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| jibot | paulproteus is Asheesh Laroia & TWiki: asheesh.org & blogs.jhu.edu! & aka Johnny Pancakes & wiki.jhu.edu! & quotes blog: blogs.jhu.edu/~gooftroop & kindablog: blogs.jhu.edu/~paulproteus & back from uganda - blog at http://uganda.laroia.net/ & hash-joiito@asheesh.org & DanMark approved for humor & graduated from jhu.edu in '07 & on Creative Commons tech staff & seeing robots where there are none & a crayon & a dirty lurker | 05:51 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons | 07:58 |
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| paroneayea | hello all! | 14:38 |
| paroneayea | getting coffee, brb | 14:38 |
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| jibot | mecredis is Fred Benenson. He works as Creative Commons' Culture Program Associate in NYC and joined the board of SFC after starting Free Culture @ NYU & Fred Benenson. He founded Free Culture @ NYU and graduated in May of 2005. He currently lives in New York City and works as a freelance web developer and a FreeCulture activist. He may or may not be a board member of FreeCulture.org but has worked for Creative Commons and volunteered for the EFF. & Fred Benenson. | 14:43 |
| mecredis | ahhh jibot how I love and loathe you | 14:44 |
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| mecredis | and so it goes. | 14:46 |
| nathany | mecredis: we talked to joi about getting it removed... | 14:46 |
| mecredis | He said no? | 14:46 |
| mecredis | executive order? | 14:46 |
| nathany | he was amenable, i guess it hasn't happened yet? | 14:46 |
| mecredis | ah | 14:46 |
| mecredis | hehe, not a huge thing | 14:46 |
| nathany | yeah | 14:48 |
| nathany | i told jibot to forget me, which removed the massive herald | 14:48 |
| mecredis | ah right | 14:48 |
| mecredis | ?jibot forget mecredis | 14:48 |
| mecredis | or is just ?forget mecredis | 14:48 |
| * mecredis slaps jibot | 14:48 | |
| * mecredis slips jibot some quaaludes | 14:50 | |
| paroneayea | mecredis: looks like you type ?forgetme | 14:51 |
| mecredis | ?forgetme | 14:52 |
| jibot | I've forgotten all about mecredis | 14:52 |
| mecredis | :( | 14:52 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 15:36 |
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| mecredis | paulproteus: freeculture.org seems to be down | 15:47 |
| mecredis | :/ | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, ya, looking into it | 15:47 |
| mecredis | thx | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | It's "just" heavy load | 15:47 |
| mecredis | interesting | 15:47 |
| mecredis | we're so popular | 15:47 |
| greg-g | weee | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | I'm not sure it's fco in particular; could be the other sites and services on my server. | 15:50 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 15:50 |
| paulproteus | Feel free to track fc.o server updates in #freeculture. | 16:00 |
| greg-g | wow, the git commit on Friday "[SCM] commoner / CC Network (branch webcitations)" was huge! So many "via"s | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | (summary: fc.o fixed) | 16:03 |
| mecredis | yah man, JED and nathany have been kicking ass and taking anmes | 16:04 |
| nathany | it's mostly JED | 16:06 |
| greg-g | and yes, I still skim the code.cc commit mails ;) | 16:06 |
| nathany | mecredis: btw, looks like he got the updated renewal stuff out last week | 16:06 |
| nathany | i think that's tons better than before | 16:07 |
| mecredis | awesome | 16:07 |
| nathany | thanks for your help on that | 16:07 |
| mecredis | yeah, looks great | 16:08 |
| mecredis | no problem | 16:08 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: hum, where are the translation files stored for cc.engine? | 16:35 |
| paroneayea | they aren't in cc.engine itself apparently | 16:35 |
| nathany | paroneayea: in i18n | 16:35 |
| paroneayea | oic | 16:36 |
| paroneayea | ok | 16:36 |
| paroneayea | so how are we going to resolve that in a world without svn externals? :) | 16:36 |
| nathany | paroneayea: not sure yet; maybe a submodule, maybe move the i18n files into cc.engine; it's not clear to me yet | 16:39 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 16:46 |
| paroneayea | hm, k | 16:46 |
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| sparr | ok, so what's up with jibot? | 18:02 |
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| nathany | mecredis: mozilla would like us to encourage people who helped with mozilla service week to report their hours | 18:11 |
| nathany | think that'd be ok to Twitter? | 18:11 |
| nathany | "Did you help CC with Mozilla Service Week? Report your hours! http://mozillaservice.org/tell_us/your_pledge/en_US" | 18:12 |
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| paroneayea | yay, ccteam statusnet thing is neat :) | 18:49 |
| akozak | ? | 18:49 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 18:50 |
| paroneayea | nathany: is it safe to dent about my statusnet? ;p | 18:51 |
| nathany | paroneayea: uh, i suppose, but it's supposed to be a private installation taking the place of emails like "working from home today" | 18:52 |
| nathany | not for "real" work :) | 18:52 |
| nathany | i'm going to be sending an email to cc-staff this afternoon about it | 18:52 |
| paroneayea | heh, okay :) | 18:53 |
| akozak | oh, that is neat | 18:53 |
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| akozak | nathany: wonder if you could use the google api to bootstrap status info with google calendar info | 18:54 |
| akozak | i bet that's overkill | 18:54 |
| akozak | no, i know that's overkill | 18:54 |
| nathany | akozak: yes :) | 18:54 |
| nathany | (and yes) | 18:54 |
| paroneayea | we're in the future akozak, anything is possible | 18:55 |
| paroneayea | have a jetpack | 18:55 |
| akozak | no foolin?! | 18:56 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 19:10 |
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| greg-g | is anyone here working with Google about their bug with CC image search where if you change the search text it removes the license filter (and is thus very confusing to the user) | 19:12 |
| greg-g | of course, PM if need be | 19:12 |
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| JED3 | hmm paroneayea you around? | 19:25 |
| JED3 | do you recall a week or two ago the problem I was describing with git clean? | 19:26 |
| paroneayea | JED3: not offhand.. | 19:26 |
| paroneayea | I have logs though :) | 19:27 |
| paroneayea | <JED3> paroneayea: solution = git clean -fd | 19:27 |
| paroneayea | * JED3 kicks himself | 19:27 |
| paroneayea | assuming that | 19:28 |
| JED3 | yes, that one, 1 sec, i'm directing my questions to #git | 19:29 |
| JED3 | basically i stashed some changes in a branch then checked out to another branch and ran git clean on the paths of the changes I just stashed | 19:31 |
| JED3 | but when i checked out back into the original branch, the files affected by the git clean in the other branch have now been removed from my stash | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | oh | 19:35 |
| paroneayea | gotcha | 19:35 |
| paroneayea | yeah I ran into problems with git stash before | 19:35 |
| paroneayea | and asked in #git | 19:35 |
| paroneayea | and the response pretty much was | 19:35 |
| paroneayea | "well if it's something important you should check it into its own branch instead of stashing it" | 19:35 |
| paroneayea | which I thought was a stupid response | 19:35 |
| nathany | greg-g: i'm putting together a bug report | 19:37 |
| nathany | greg-g: oh, not about that | 19:37 |
| nathany | can you email me about that so i can include it? | 19:37 |
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| greg-g | nathany|curry: yeah | 19:44 |
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| paroneayea | gah | 20:08 |
| paroneayea | JED3 or nathany: do you know where eggs are stored with buildout? | 20:08 |
| paroneayea | I want to get buildout to redownload an egg but it seems it still "has" the egg somewhere | 20:08 |
| paroneayea | even if I rm -rf it in eggs/ | 20:08 |
| paroneayea | maybe I'm wrong | 20:08 |
| paroneayea | but I think that's what's happening | 20:08 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: can I see your recipe? | 20:09 |
| paroneayea | you mean the buildout config? | 20:10 |
| JED3 | err, yes | 20:11 |
| paroneayea | http://dpaste.com/102977/ | 20:12 |
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| nathany | paroneayea: what egg is it? is there a setup.cfg file with a download directory/cache defined? | 20:14 |
| nathany | paroneayea: also, the egg is defined by the presence or absence of the xyz.egg-info directory | 20:14 |
| nathany | so some system packages now are considered "eggs" as well | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | ah, hm | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | cc.license | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | anyway, I think that's why the problem's occurring? I can't import cc.license from cc.engine | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | and previously I lacked the cc namespace declaration thingy in the cc.license setup.py | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | namespace_packages = ['cc', ] | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | so I added that and re-uploaded the egg | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | well anyway, for whatever reason I can't import cc.license from cc.engine, though I can confirm it is on the path | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | actually, nm | 20:17 |
| paroneayea | that's *not* the cause :\ | 20:17 |
| paroneayea | because I tried removing the eggs and it didn't find the new one again | 20:17 |
| paroneayea | okay. | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | I figured it out | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | wait, maybe not :) | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | hold on and I'll retry some things. | 20:18 |
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| greg-g | nathany: re: private status.net: Awesome experiment idea | 21:11 |
| nathany | greg-g: thanks :) | 21:11 |
| nathany | paroneayea: sorry, didn't see your messages from an hour ago | 21:12 |
| nathany | did you figure it out? | 21:12 |
| paroneayea | nathany: I think I did. I think it had to do with relative imports changing in the way they work between python versions. | 21:12 |
| nathany | JED3: would you object to me adding a Meta class to CommonerProfile to make it show up as User Profile in the admin? | 21:12 |
| nathany | paroneayea: oh, suck | 21:12 |
| nathany | ok | 21:12 |
| JED3 | nathany: nope, go for it | 21:14 |
| nathany | thanks | 21:14 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: yikes, figured out my problem. I still had an import for a file that I git rm'ed, but the .pyc remained :< | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | actually, JED3, weren't you talking about the desire for a similar hook for switching git branches? | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | that cleans up unused .pyc files | 21:46 |
| JED3 | yes, git clean | 21:46 |
| JED3 | but i suppose you could hook for any git action | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | maybe dangerous to do it for any action I guess | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | maybe something more specific like "git rm foo.py" sees if the .pyc is still there | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | wouldn't want to accidentally wipe new, untracked files | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | actually | 21:49 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: but if you've told git to ignore pyc files in the first place, that could be problematic | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | oh right | 21:49 |
| JED3 | that was my concern | 21:49 |
| JED3 | git clean -fd wiped out some changsets sitting in a stash for me this morning | 21:50 |
| paroneayea | aha | 21:50 |
| JED3 | I have no idea how that could happen and haven't been able to reproduce it, but my bash_history doesn't yield any other explanations | 21:50 |
| JED3 | completely bizarre | 21:50 |
| paroneayea | aurghhhh | 21:55 |
| paroneayea | here I thought I fixed it :( | 21:55 |
| paroneayea | apparently there's another, unknown layer of broken | 21:55 |
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| paroneayea | gaaaaaah | 22:46 |
| paroneayea | buildout keeps hanging with no output given as to why | 22:47 |
| paroneayea | oh hm, guess I should use -v | 22:47 |
| paroneayea | We have no distributions for nose that satisfies 'nose'. | 22:47 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: that happens to me every now and then as well | 22:48 |
| paroneayea | probably related to the site that's hosting nose being down | 22:48 |
| JED3 | yeah, that'll cause it, plus if you are doing any SVN checkouts, buildout often will hang for me unless set verbose on | 22:51 |
| paroneayea | is there a way to point buildout at an egg you have at a server, or one you have locally, manually like you can with easy_install? | 22:51 |
| paroneayea | it seems like it won't accept eggs unless it downloads them | 22:52 |
| paroneayea | oh hm | 22:53 |
| paroneayea | I really wish I knew of a reliable mirror of pypi packages | 22:55 |
| paroneayea | well I guess copying over the egg directory *does* work | 22:56 |
| paroneayea | for some reason I thought I tried that before and it didn't with buildout | 22:57 |
| paroneayea | who is dominating #cc with moron messages today | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | oh yeah | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | it's paroneayea | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | okay, and after all that, still having weird issues.... | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | nathany or JED3, one of you have time to test running buildout on git@code.creativecommons.org:cc.engine ? | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | see if it fails w/ cc.license when you run ./bin/paster serve cc.engine.ini | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | because for some reason it can't import from the cc.license namespace | 23:00 |
| paroneayea | which boggles my mind. Clearly it should be able to | 23:00 |
| paroneayea | I can install cc.license from virtualenv and it works *just fine* | 23:00 |
| nathany | paroneayea: one second, i'll test | 23:00 |
| paroneayea | not sure why it isn't working in this buildout | 23:01 |
| paroneayea | nathany: thx thx | 23:01 |
| paulproteus | paroneayea, FWIW sometimes I get similar failures when I have a broken IPv6 setup enabled. | 23:02 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: I'm assuming you mean downloading the egg? | 23:03 |
| paulproteus | paroneayea, I mean hanging with no error message from buildout. | 23:03 |
| paulproteus | This is because it searches PyPI for the egg name... only PyPI hangs forever due to broken v6. | 23:04 |
| paroneayea | ah | 23:05 |
| nathany | paroneayea: building now, please hold :) | 23:05 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: yeah in this case it wasn't pypi that was hanging, it's the site that hosts the egg | 23:06 |
| paroneayea | but that's good to know | 23:06 |
| * paulproteus nods | 23:06 | |
| nathany | paroneayea: sorry, got caught up in the nose site downtime | 23:12 |
| nathany | continuing the build | 23:12 |
| paroneayea | nathany: no prob | 23:13 |
| nathany | paroneayea: i can't run it due to annoying librdf stuff | 23:15 |
| nathany | but i think the problem is that you don't have the namespace declaration in cc/__init__.py | 23:16 |
| nathany | in cc.engine | 23:16 |
| paroneayea | hum | 23:17 |
| nathany | paroneayea: i have to run now; does that make sense to you? | 23:21 |
| paroneayea | I think so. I don't know much about namespacing like that, but I'm assuming I can just look at other packages | 23:21 |
| paroneayea | th | 23:21 |
| paroneayea | er | 23:21 |
| paroneayea | thx | 23:21 |
| nathany | paroneayea: yeah; look at zope/__init__.py for any zope.* package | 23:21 |
| paroneayea | cool, got it | 23:22 |
| nathany | (or our existing cc_old/__init__.py | 23:22 |
| nathany | ) | 23:22 |
| paroneayea | cool, done | 23:22 |
| paroneayea | thx :) | 23:22 |
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