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| jibot | jonsson is Karl Jonsson, a Swedish law student & Karl Jonsson, a Swedish law student. He blogs @ http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle & Karl Jonsson, a Swedish law student. He sometimes updates his web page @ www.cyberlaw.se & A Swedish lawyer who works for CC Sweden and has a blog -@ http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle & a Swedish lawyer working for CC Sweden and blogging @- http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle & a Swedish lawyer working for CC Sweden and blogging @@ http://www.cyberla | 00:33 |
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| jibot | meteorswarm is a swarm of meteors. and Alec Story and president of Cornell Free Culture and needs ideas for fall recruitment | 00:41 |
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| Jonta | I've tried to find out how to correctly give credit to an artist on jamendo, but haven't found a way. Is there something really obvious I've missed? | 12:17 |
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| Jonta | Seems mentioning name of artist, and probably also track. But jamendo informing about this in the FAQ or similar would have been a huge help. freesound.org is better on that. | 12:47 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 15:38 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 15:40 |
| jgay | I don't really do many GNU speaking engagements ... maybe I should start doing that. | 15:41 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: Are you in the office? | 15:55 |
| JED3 | no, about to head in though | 15:55 |
| JED3 | ^ nkinkade | 15:56 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 15:56 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 16:46 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: ping | 17:15 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Hi, | 17:15 |
| nathany | hey | 17:15 |
| nathany | so i'm going to order a drive to transfer a bunch of data from S3 with the intent of putting it into our backup machine eventually | 17:15 |
| nkinkade | nathany: ?? | 17:16 |
| nkinkade | I'm glad about that, though. | 17:16 |
| nathany | we're going to send it to Amazon to export our i. logs for analysis | 17:16 |
| nkinkade | S3 has been worrying me for some time. | 17:16 |
| nathany | so we'll use it for that first, then for backup | 17:16 |
| nathany | worrying because? | 17:16 |
| nathany | cost? | 17:16 |
| nkinkade | Cost is one thing, maybe the main thing. | 17:16 |
| nkinkade | It's only going to increase more and more and more and more and more. | 17:17 |
| nathany | right... well this won't make you feel better, then, because it's not that we're moving away, just getting data out :) | 17:17 |
| nkinkade | Eventually it will reach ridiculous proportions and be essentially useless to use to have terabytes and terabytes of data costing us tons of money. | 17:17 |
| nathany | (although maybe it will lead to some other analysis strategy) | 17:17 |
| nathany | anyway | 17:17 |
| nkinkade | I watch about 1 to 2 GB of data go up there every single day. | 17:17 |
| nathany | i'm leaning towards a SATA drive + an e-SATA enclosure for it... | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | Our bill is already starting to become non-trivial. | 17:18 |
| nathany | does that sound sane to you (as opposed to just a retail eSATA device) | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | I guess I don't even know what eSATA is. | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | Oh, external. | 17:19 |
| nathany | right | 17:19 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I think that sounds more flexible. | 17:19 |
| nathany | great | 17:19 |
| nathany | thanks | 17:19 |
| nkinkade | Get an enclosure that supports 3 or 4 drives, but only buy 1 drive. | 17:19 |
| nkinkade | Well, in any case, let this chat serve as another mention on my part of how our use of S3 isn't cost-effective, in my view. I've mentioned it before, but here it is again. | 17:20 |
| nathany | so noted | 17:22 |
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| mecredis | nkinkade: I'm getting an "error socket is not conncted" error when trying to connect adium to our XMP | 17:49 |
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| nkinkade | mecredis: I see you connected. | 17:50 |
| mecredis | that's in gmail | 17:50 |
| mecredis | do I have to disconnect? | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: The account I see you under is fred@CC.org | 17:50 |
| mecredis | yes | 17:50 |
| mecredis | inside the google apps | 17:50 |
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| mecredis | do I have to log off from that in order to get in | 17:51 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Oh. | 17:51 |
| mecredis | on adium | 17:51 |
| mecredis | I'll try | 17:51 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Perhaps, try it. | 17:51 |
| akozak | maybe try forcing it to use ssl? | 17:51 |
| mecredis | k | 17:51 |
| nkinkade | I'll be back in about 30. Going to grab bite to eat for lunch. | 17:52 |
| mecredis | k | 17:52 |
| mecredis | ah, had to add talk.google.com as the server | 17:55 |
| JED3 | mecredis: any word back from IA? | 17:55 |
| mecredis | no | 17:55 |
| mecredis | I'll ping them again | 17:55 |
| JED3 | okay, thx | 17:55 |
| mecredis | how's the citation coming along? | 17:55 |
| JED3 | still in the research phase | 17:56 |
| mecredis | cool | 17:56 |
| JED3 | right now, I'm exploring options for our screenshot feature | 17:56 |
| mecredis | what are you thinking? | 17:56 |
| JED3 | well, right now the best solution appears to be Qt libraries | 17:57 |
| mecredis | interesting | 17:57 |
| mecredis | the firefox + pearl crescent seemed pretty heavyweight | 17:57 |
| JED3 | yes, the Qt is significantly lighter than that, but still clunky imo | 17:58 |
| mecredis | hrm yeah | 18:00 |
| mecredis | I see it used so frequently | 18:00 |
| mecredis | (the feature, not any particular library) | 18:00 |
| mecredis | I'm curious if Qt is the standard | 18:00 |
| akozak | khtml2png | 18:03 |
| akozak | ? | 18:03 |
| JED3 | yeah, its not rare to see this functionality across the web, but my suspicion is that they are generated using a few common services | 18:03 |
| JED3 | PageGlimpse, Alexa, etc to name a view | 18:03 |
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| JED3 | we will need to engineer this functionality ourselves so our project will scale both technically and financially | 18:04 |
| mecredis | yeah | 18:04 |
| JED3 | akozak: khtml2png works nicely but requires KDE | 18:04 |
| akozak | the whole thing? | 18:04 |
| akozak | hm | 18:04 |
| JED3 | the goal is to find something that requires the least overhead as possible (no X server, or KDE instance, etc) | 18:05 |
| akozak | that has to exist somewhere | 18:05 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: is the Donate Now link from personal campaign pages going to link to /donate, or to OneClick w/ js popup? | 18:41 |
| nkinkade | mralex: It'll go to /donate at which point there is supposed to be some magic PHP to capture the PCP id and then pass that on to OneClick w/js popup. | 18:42 |
| mralex | nkinkade: got it | 18:43 |
| nkinkade | We were going to go directly to OneClick, but it wasn't clear how we'd handle premiums, tshirts sizes, and all the rest from there so we decided to just divert them to /donate. | 18:44 |
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| mralex | if we didn't care about non-js fallback, the js popup could handle adding the pcp id all on its own, sans php. assuming the pcp id is a querystring for /donate. | 18:49 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons | 19:14 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 19:31 |
| akozak | nathany: The DiscoverEd FAQ doesn't explicitly recommend either the DCT, cc, or xhtml namespace. should we advocate for anything in that area, e.g. consistent namespace usage or does it really not matter at all? | 19:35 |
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| akozak | nathany: doesn't seem like they are mapped together either, maybe because there are subtle differences between them. | 19:36 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: are we doing the devcall? | 20:01 |
| paroneayea | oh, that's in half an hour, eh | 20:03 |
| paroneayea | my bad | 20:03 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: also, I'm not sure I understand what you found backward here: | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | In add it looks like you're running the translation before you add the dc:title assertion. That seems backwards to me | 20:15 |
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| nathany | akozak: i don't understand what you mean by "mapped together" | 20:19 |
| nathany | using the same namespaces absolutely matters for RDFa encoding | 20:19 |
| JED3 | akozak: btw, I borrowed your Semantic Web book, I hope you don't mind ;) | 20:20 |
| nathany | paroneayea: It looked like you were looking for assertions to translate before you added the dc:title with lang="i18n" | 20:20 |
| akozak | JED3: no problem | 20:20 |
| nathany | (where the dc:title[i18n] is the thing you wanted to translate | 20:21 |
| paroneayea | <dc:title xml:lang="i18n">${country.my}</dc:title> | 20:21 |
| paroneayea | that doesn't get translated, I think? | 20:21 |
| paroneayea | that's based off of the changes you requested | 20:21 |
| nathany | paroneayea: it doesn't *get* translated, but it drives translation, right? | 20:21 |
| nathany | so you look for assertions with lang=i18n and translate them into each language | 20:22 |
| akozak | nathany: I guess I'm asking if it's policy not to recommend one namespace over the other, at least in terms of license? | 20:22 |
| nathany | oh, you're referring to license | 20:22 |
| akozak | or lang | 20:22 |
| nathany | lang isn't duplicated amongst them | 20:23 |
| nathany | (IIRC) | 20:23 |
| akozak | well there's xml:lang and DCT:language | 20:23 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Did you receive my messages re: S3 and i.CC moving from a5 to a8? | 20:23 |
| nathany | xhtml:license is recommended for specifying license in [X]HTML | 20:23 |
| akozak | ok | 20:23 |
| nkinkade | Are we doing our sync meeting today? | 20:23 |
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| nathany | wrt language, "it depends" (maybe)... I'd need to look at specific examples | 20:24 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes, 5 min? | 20:24 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes, I received the messages | 20:24 |
| akozak | nathany: I'm just working on our "step-by-step" guide for ideal resource markup for discovered | 20:24 |
| akozak | and it's based on the FAQ | 20:24 |
| paroneayea | I think I may be confused. no, that line, lang="i18n" isn't really driving the translations in that process | 20:24 |
| nathany | which FAQ, akozak? | 20:24 |
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| akozak | nathany: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcLearn_Search_Metadata | 20:25 |
| akozak | I guess that's not an FAQ | 20:25 |
| nathany | paroneayea: i forget, which python file is the translation function in? | 20:25 |
| paroneayea | jurisdiction.py _set_translations | 20:25 |
| paroneayea | is what does all the translations | 20:25 |
| nathany | let me look @ that | 20:25 |
| paroneayea | which is called by add | 20:25 |
| nathany | akozak: we should probably do some mapping of the license assertions | 20:26 |
| paroneayea | so, it was already doing that, but then you mentioned that you wanted the ${country.foo} assertion added. I did so, but I'm still not entirely sure I understood how it was going to be used, but I assumed it was something down the line that I hadn't caught yet | 20:26 |
| nathany | but the step by step should just specify RDFa | 20:26 |
| paroneayea | er, that I didn't understand yet | 20:26 |
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| akozak | nathany: so it should recommend RDFa without going into namespaces? | 20:27 |
| nathany | akozak: no, i was saying RDFa vs. the sub-optimal Atom example on that page | 20:27 |
| akozak | oh | 20:28 |
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| nathany | paroneayea: i see, one second, let me look at something else... | 20:28 |
| nathany | paroneayea: ok, so _set_translations is a little more specific than I was thinking | 20:28 |
| nathany | sorry I didn't read it correctly yesterday morning | 20:29 |
| nathany | instead of saying str_id = country.id | 20:29 |
| nathany | i was thinking you'd do: | 20:29 |
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| akozak | nathany: would you be able to give a quick review to this doc when it's done? | 20:29 |
| nathany | for str_id in graph.objects((subject, None), lang='i18n'): | 20:30 |
| nathany | so that you find all objects where the predicate has a language of i18n | 20:30 |
| nathany | and translate each of those using the value of the object as the str_id | 20:30 |
| nathany | akozak: yes, I demand to :) | 20:30 |
| nathany | paroneayea: does that make sense? | 20:30 |
| nathany | JED3: nkinkade: paroneayea: tech sync call on conf line? | 20:31 |
| nathany | akozak: i'm happy to review a draft as well | 20:32 |
| akozak | nathany: ok, will send soon | 20:33 |
| paroneayea | yeah, calling | 20:33 |
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| paroneayea | country.nz | 20:47 |
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| nathany | paroneayea: http://dpaste.com/97385/ | 20:52 |
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| nathany | paroneayea: http://dpaste.com/97391/ | 21:01 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 21:16 |
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| sparr | Do any existing implementations of XMP that support CC licensing look for two licenses? That is, two copies of any of the license-specific XMP tags, such as COPYRIGHT or CONTACT? | 21:50 |
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| JED3 | nathany & paroneayea do you guys use a post-checkout hook in git to remove pyc files? For instance say you have "*.pyc if you have a folder containing python modules and their corresponding byte-compiled files, and you checkout to a branch that does not contain the same | 21:54 |
| JED3 | whoops, prematurely sent | 21:55 |
| JED3 | nevermind that | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | JED3: add to .gitignore: | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | *.pyc | 21:57 |
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| JED3 | well thats the problem | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | in whatever project you're working on | 21:57 |
| JED3 | here i guess i should finish that question then | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | iirc python checks to see if the *.pyc files match the .py files? | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | yes, sorry, will let you finish :) | 21:58 |
| JED3 | or instance say you have "*.pyc" in your ignore list, and you have a folder containing python modules and the byte-compiled files, then you checkout to a branch that does not contain the same folder (package), those pyc files are left in your working tree | 21:59 |
| paroneayea | ah I see | 22:00 |
| paroneayea | yes in that case I don't know :) | 22:00 |
| paroneayea | clean_shitty_pyc_folders.sh | 22:00 |
| JED3 | and as a result the package folder will sit there in your tree | 22:00 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: http://dpaste.com/97426/ | 22:11 |
| paroneayea | JED3: okay yes, that looks like it would be pretty annoying | 22:12 |
| paroneayea | how often do you encounter this problem though? | 22:12 |
| JED3 | all the time | 22:12 |
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| JED3 | right now I'm seeing it with a django project, you branch and create a couple app's then checkout to another branch and those app folders will appear in the tree | 22:14 |
| Bo3Bo3 | I need Chk cc Plz | 22:16 |
| paroneayea | Bo3Bo3: check /title | 22:16 |
| mralex | Bo3Bo3: this isn't the channel you're looking for | 22:16 |
| * akozak waves hand | 22:16 | |
| paroneayea | :) | 22:16 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: and in the above example you could still import bar when on master | 22:17 |
| Bo3Bo3 | i need chanel good plz dir | 22:17 |
| paroneayea | Bo3Bo3: on the other hand, if you'd like to help contribute to our codebase, feel free to stick around! | 22:18 |
| mralex | Bo3Bo3: we could direct you to the FBI, but i doubt you'd appreciate that | 22:18 |
| paroneayea | , | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | __ _.-"` `'-. | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | /||\'._ __{}_( | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | |||| |'--.__\ | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | | L.( ^_\^ | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | \ .-' | _ | | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | | | )\___/ | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | | \-'`:._] | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | jgs \__/; '-. | 22:23 |
| akozak | high five! | 22:24 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: solution = git clean -fd | 22:24 |
| * JED3 kicks himself | 22:24 | |
| paroneayea | JED3: oh awesome, thx | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | ha | 22:24 |
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| greg-g | nathany: you won't believe the faux pas i just made | 23:16 |
| akozak | he just left | 23:17 |
| greg-g | dangit | 23:17 |
| greg-g | it is a good story | 23:17 |
| akozak | i wanna hear :) | 23:17 |
| greg-g | :) | 23:17 |
| greg-g | so.... | 23:17 |
| greg-g | I used a photo of rtkim wearing a I Love To Share shirt in my presentation yesterday and today. | 23:18 |
| greg-g | (thats not all of the story) | 23:18 |
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| greg-g | yesterday it got a good reaction from the crowd as it is a pretty funny photo. Today it didn't get as good of a reaction from the crowd because A) there wasn't as many people (only 8 today vs 30 yesterday) and most importantly because I realized that B) an ex of nathany's was in the room _right before I hit the key to go to that slide_ | 23:19 |
| greg-g | nathany knows who it is | 23:20 |
| akozak | heh | 23:20 |
| akozak | i dont think ive met richard | 23:20 |
| greg-g | he's cool | 23:20 |
| greg-g | and I don't just say that because this channel is logged and nathany is logged in :) | 23:20 |
| akozak | haha | 23:20 |
| greg-g | anyways, it has been a long day, and it is time to drink a growler (with friends). have a good one, akozak | 23:21 |
| akozak | you too greg-g | 23:21 |
| akozak | (that sounds nice) | 23:21 |
| greg-g | (it is) | 23:22 |
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