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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 01:38 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 03:49 |
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| pyrak | "we may not have our powers, but we're still the power rangers" | 07:57 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is from Creative Commons and Mike Linksvayer | 13:46 |
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| paroneayea | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0272.html <- multi-user video/audio chat in xmpp | 15:24 |
| paroneayea | I think only telepathy/empathy support it though :) | 15:24 |
| paroneayea | nathany: ping | 15:27 |
| nathany | paroneayea: pong | 15:27 |
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| paroneayea | :) | 15:27 |
| nathany | i'm reading/replying to your email now | 15:27 |
| paroneayea | great | 15:27 |
| paroneayea | wasn't too obnoxious I hope | 15:27 |
| nathany | not yet ;) | 15:28 |
| paroneayea | :) | 15:28 |
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| nathany | paroneayea: replied, adding details to the wiki page | 16:03 |
| paroneayea | nathany: great, thx | 16:03 |
| nathany | paroneayea: I updated the wiki page; I'm going to try and further flesh out answers to the "open questions" while I'm at it | 16:26 |
| paroneayea | nathany: :D | 16:30 |
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| jibot | naufragio is Gavin Baker and www.gavinbaker.com and an alumnus of uf.freeculture.org | 16:30 |
| paroneayea | nathany: I like the color coding | 16:31 |
| paroneayea | good use of RGB | 16:31 |
| nathany | :) | 16:31 |
| nathany | paroneayea: this is why i'm not a designer | 16:31 |
| paroneayea | yeah, this does help clarify things a lot | 16:32 |
| paroneayea | thx | 16:33 |
| naufragio | can i ask a quick bit of advice? | 16:33 |
| paulproteus | Sure! | 16:33 |
| paulproteus | Don't ask to ask, just ask. (-: | 16:33 |
| naufragio | i'm organizing a video contest and want to point to a few sources of CC-licensed video & audio which people can use in their productions | 16:34 |
| naufragio | i have a link to the overall CC content directory on the wiki, but i want to include a handful of examples as well | 16:34 |
| naufragio | e.g. for images try flickr and wikimedia commons | 16:34 |
| naufragio | if you were going to recommend 2-3 sources each for re-usable CC video and audio, what would you recommend? | 16:35 |
| paroneayea | naufragio: http://search.creativecommons.org/ is maybe helpful? | 16:36 |
| paroneayea | hey, not sure who posted this but this bit.ly link does not work: http://identi.ca/notice/10156853 | 16:38 |
| paroneayea | mecredis: (iirc you often post to @creativecommons?) | 16:39 |
| naufragio | paroneayea: thanks | 16:39 |
| mecredis | yeah, fijust fixed | 16:39 |
| mecredis | http://twitter.com/creativecommons/status/4032616154 | 16:39 |
| mecredis | wasn't me though paroneayea | 16:39 |
| naufragio | what's a good source or 2 for sound fx? | 16:40 |
| mecredis | naufragio: free sound project? | 16:40 |
| naufragio | mecredis: thanks | 16:42 |
| naufragio | is it possible to search archive.org for content with certain licenses/permissions? | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | naufragio: if you're interested in simple videogame like sound effects, sfxr is really good for generating them easily | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | naufragio: http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/2007/12/13/sfxr-sound-effects-for-all/ | 16:42 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 16:43 |
| mecredis | naufragio: I think it may be exposed via their new API | 16:43 |
| naufragio | suggestion or 2 for background music? | 16:44 |
| naufragio | jamendo, magnatune...? | 16:45 |
| mecredis | yeah, I think those are your best bets | 16:46 |
| naufragio | are those the best-curated collections of cc music? | 16:50 |
| mecredis | also free music archive | 16:51 |
| mecredis | http://freemusicarchive.org/ | 16:51 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, FWIW http://identi.ca/notice/10156853 still uses the old, broken bitly link. | 16:51 |
| mecredis | will fix now | 16:52 |
| mecredis | http://identi.ca/notice/10158083 | 16:53 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 16:54 |
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| naufragio | er, is there a page somewhere with instructions on how to add a CC license to your video on youtube, blip, vimeo, etc? | 17:10 |
| naufragio | the license picker links to info for archive.org but not others | 17:10 |
| mecredis | naufragio: check out http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC_video_bumpers | 17:11 |
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| naufragio | youtube still doesn't have an embed tool for general users? | 17:20 |
| akozak | is extracting data from a third party using RDF that much better than scraping a page with python? I mean aside from data accuracy (which maybe is the big draw) | 17:23 |
| nathany | naufragio: no, it doesn't have a CC license tool for all users yet | 17:26 |
| nathany | akozak: it seems that data accuracy is sort of the entire point, isn't it? | 17:26 |
| akozak | nathany: yea I suppose so. what about speed though? | 17:27 |
| paulproteus | The other advantage is it's supposed to Just Work with no new coding work (though I don't know exactly what kind of scraping you're referring to). | 17:27 |
| nathany | paulproteus: that's an advantage for which? | 17:27 |
| paulproteus | For RDF! | 17:27 |
| akozak | paulproteus: I'm thinking of something like navigating a doc tree in beautifulsoup or something | 17:27 |
| paulproteus | Naturally.... | 17:27 |
| nathany | akozak: speed completely application specific, no way to make a generalization | 17:27 |
| nathany | paulproteus: just making sure :) | 17:28 |
| akozak | nathany: ah ok :) | 17:28 |
| akozak | paulproteus: I'm thinking of this because of the new SMW extension | 17:28 |
| nathany | akozak: if I may be my usual blunt self, if you have the choice between scraping and RDF and you choose scraping | 17:28 |
| nathany | you'd better have a good fucking reason | 17:28 |
| akozak | heh yea | 17:28 |
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| nathany | like, the RDF should be completely broken or incomplete | 17:28 |
| akozak | the new semantic history extension for SMW made me think of openhatch | 17:28 |
| akozak | and how it could also be done by scraping wiki history pages | 17:29 |
| nathany | akozak: i haven't seen that extension; link? | 17:29 |
| akozak | its new, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SemanticHistory | 17:29 |
| akozak | you could imagine aggregating all that data | 17:30 |
| akozak | but that would have been possible before by scraping pages | 17:30 |
| paulproteus | And now, you'd still have to, since most wikis won't enable that extension. | 17:30 |
| akozak | paulproteus: true :) | 17:30 |
| paulproteus | $ git-mw clone http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ | 17:30 |
| paulproteus | (-; | 17:31 |
| nathany | akozak: interesting | 17:31 |
| akozak | i'm thinking about using that idea as an excuse to learn more python | 17:32 |
| akozak | or as an incentive | 17:32 |
| * paulproteus imagines git-mw rebase... | 17:34 | |
| akozak | git-mw? | 17:36 |
| nathany | akozak: mediawiki back by git instead of mysql :) | 17:38 |
| akozak | oooh | 17:38 |
| nathany | paroneayea: are things feeling any clearer to you? i'm going to move all the translation related docs from that page to http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Managing_Translations | 17:38 |
| nathany | they're slightly orthogonal and i think that'll help us separate the work | 17:38 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, I was thinking like git-svn. | 17:42 |
| paulproteus | "Sure, you can use Subversion^WMediaWiki. I'll act as if nothing's wrong." | 17:42 |
| nathany | LOL | 17:42 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 17:43 |
| paroneayea | back from lunch | 17:45 |
| paroneayea | nathany: yes, it's looking more clear | 17:46 |
| naufragio | can the "More permissions URL" be an email address? | 17:46 |
| nathany | naufragio: it should probably be a URL, so that implies (to me) a mailto: prefix if you use an email address | 17:46 |
| nathany | it's not widely used so it's a little unclear | 17:47 |
| mralex | hmm, this will make nkinkade sad | 17:50 |
| mralex | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/teaching-computers-to-read-google.html | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | I don't know if sad is the word. It's just worrisome. Toss another egg in the Google basket. | 17:52 |
| nkinkade | One day this is going to come back to bite people. It won't affect me to any great extent because I don't rely on Google for anything, except as it related to CC. | 17:53 |
| greg-g | nkinkade++ | 17:57 |
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| nathany | paroneayea: I updated both wiki pages now to contain more information. I'm going to look at something else for a while, please email/ping if you have more questions | 17:58 |
| paulproteus | google.makesad.us | 17:58 |
| paroneayea | nathany: will do, thx | 17:58 |
| nkinkade | donewith.google | 18:00 |
| nkinkade | Guess I better contact the folks over at UnifiedRoot. | 18:01 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: you could just set up your own "unifiedroot" | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | But then I wouldn't have the backing of an established and credible organization and network like UnifiedRoot would offer me. ;-) | 18:03 |
| akozak | Another egg in the established and credible organization basket :) | 18:10 |
| naufragio | thanks for your help, everybody! | 18:12 |
| paroneayea | nathany: is there any way to check the md5sums of the videos once they're uploaded? | 18:13 |
| paroneayea | because I *think* they all uploaded okay | 18:14 |
| nathany | paroneayea: not really; i'll go ahead and check the item in and we'll see if it breaks :) | 18:15 |
| paroneayea | oki :) | 18:16 |
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| JED3 | paulproteus: http://snarfed.org/space/gmail%20vs%20pine hehe | 18:36 |
| JED3 | ran across a random comment of yours | 18:36 |
| paulproteus | Aww, that's from junior year of college. | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | Of course, now I realize PINE (and IMAP) all have label support. | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | But major (-: | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | (-8 even | 18:37 |
| JED3 | i'm going back to my pine roots | 18:38 |
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| paulproteus | http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=asheesh%40asheesh.org points out I maintain a relevant Debian package. | 18:54 |
| akozak | aww you shouldve linked to your openhatch profile | 18:55 |
| paulproteus | Good point, but not yet (-: | 18:56 |
| paulproteus | Turns out when you configure mod_wsgi to serve up to 15 processes and you don't really have RAM for so many processes, it's Bad News. | 18:57 |
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| akozak | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RDFa | 18:58 |
| akozak | so many interesting SMW extensions in one day | 18:59 |
| akozak | by that I mean 2 | 18:59 |
| akozak | paulproteus: openhatch bug filed | 19:05 |
| akozak | noticed it when I went to your profile page re: earlier :) | 19:06 |
| paulproteus | You rule (-: | 19:06 |
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| paulproteus | akozak, That is one *awesome* bug. | 19:19 |
| paulproteus | Also feel free to join #openhatch | 19:19 |
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| mecredis | akozak: | 19:45 |
| mecredis | do you mind if I reply to your Consulting email to cc-staff? | 19:45 |
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| akozak | mecredis: i suppose not | 19:47 |
| mecredis | its no big thing | 19:47 |
| mecredis | I just htink you asked some really good questions | 19:48 |
| akozak | i just kinda vomited that out though, not much thought or structure to it :P | 19:48 |
| mecredis | ah ok | 19:48 |
| mecredis | no worries | 19:48 |
| akozak | no but feel free to send it out | 19:48 |
| mecredis | thanks dude | 19:49 |
| akozak | fwiw i think private consulting companies in this "industry" are inevitable | 19:50 |
| mecredis | yeah | 19:50 |
| mecredis | Like ahrash said | 19:51 |
| mecredis | s | 19:51 |
| mecredis | ometimes $$ is cheaper than mental effort fro some people | 19:51 |
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| Lennie_ | Hi, folks, I noticed that this channel exists because of the Mozilla Service Week. | 19:55 |
| mecredis | Lennie_: Great! How can we help you? | 19:56 |
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| jibot | thomg is Thom Hastings and thomhastings.com and awesome! | 19:56 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: well, do you know the sxc.hu stock-photo site ? | 19:56 |
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| mecredis | Lennie_: I don't. | 19:56 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: do you know what stock-photo's are ? | 19:57 |
| mecredis | yes | 19:57 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: well, a lot of people put their photo's on that site, mostly amateurs | 19:57 |
| mecredis | got it | 19:58 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: just as a hobby, their photo's get used and they can tell their friends | 19:58 |
| mecredis | neat | 19:58 |
| mecredis | sounds like a flickr scenario | 19:58 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: when their is a foto's in the paper, I took that picture | 19:58 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: yes, kinda like flickr, but in this case pictures are actually used by others | 19:59 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: build up on | 19:59 |
| mecredis | I'm pretty sure plenty of Flickr photos get reused by others | 19:59 |
| mecredis | but I understan | 19:59 |
| mecredis | d | 19:59 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: well, scx is a site with a milion visitors a day or something like that order | 20:00 |
| mecredis | got it | 20:00 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: and there is money needed to run the site and recently the site got bought by the bully company in the industry: getty images | 20:01 |
| mecredis | i see | 20:01 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: they run a lot of for-pay sites | 20:01 |
| mecredis | yeah, I'm aware of who Getty is | 20:01 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: so now when you search the site you'll see for-pay photo's first. | 20:01 |
| mecredis | uh huh | 20:02 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: anyway, some people want to start their own site ofcourse | 20:02 |
| mecredis | got it | 20:02 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: and we've been thinking maybe we need to start an organisation that can support such a site | 20:02 |
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| Lennie_ | mecredis: a non-profit | 20:02 |
| mecredis | Sounds cool | 20:03 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: I'm one of the people who actually doesn't create photo's, but I do webdev | 20:03 |
| mecredis | cool, I'm a photog too | 20:03 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: we've been thinking, where do we start ? other then to start and build a site. :-) | 20:04 |
| akozak | that's a good place to start :) | 20:04 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: we guessed people should be able to make a choice for licences | 20:04 |
| mecredis | that sounds good | 20:05 |
| mecredis | there are two ways cc can be involved, then | 20:05 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: cc is definitly something we've thought about it, possible some if not all that you can choose | 20:05 |
| mecredis | one is for you to check out our Web Integration guide here | 20:06 |
| mecredis | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Web_Integration/HowTo | 20:06 |
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| mecredis | another is to check out our consulting services here: http://creativecommons.org/about/consulting | 20:06 |
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| Lennie_ | mecredis: will check out the pages | 20:06 |
| mecredis | great | 20:07 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: as their are a number of people involved in different countries, where should we establish our organisation ? | 20:08 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: and what org. form ? | 20:08 |
| mecredis | well CC licenses just help with the copyright status of the works involved | 20:08 |
| mecredis | its up to you to decide what structure of your organization will be most effective | 20:08 |
| mecredis | a non-profit migth work | 20:08 |
| mecredis | but there's no reason a for-profit can't use CC | 20:09 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: yes, I understand, but I guess you folks deal with legal stuff 'all the time' so possible you have some ideas about what not to do | 20:09 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: some pointers, maybe some people that can advice us ? | 20:10 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: (i'll first gonna read more about consulting on the webpage now. :-) | 20:10 |
| mecredis | while we do wrangle with a lot of legal questions, we can't, unfortunately, offer legal advice as a lawyer or firm would | 20:10 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: I guess that's also sound advice :-) | 20:11 |
| mecredis | :)( | 20:11 |
| mecredis | err, :) | 20:11 |
| mecredis | I think the questions CC can most help with | 20:11 |
| mecredis | are ones that deal directly with copyright, communities, and content generation online | 20:12 |
| mecredis | take, for example, Wikipedia's use of our CC BY SA license | 20:12 |
| mecredis | they use that as their terms of service, effectively | 20:13 |
| mecredis | the idea is that you need to agree that your work on Wikipedia will be available under that (and only that) license | 20:13 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: do you have advice on what cc license(s) we should offer for such a site/content ? | 20:13 |
| mecredis | It really depends on your ultimate means | 20:13 |
| mecredis | and goals | 20:13 |
| mecredis | err, ends | 20:13 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: well these images are used to create other works, they could be for commercial use as well | 20:14 |
| mecredis | indeed. | 20:14 |
| mecredis | http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses | 20:15 |
| mecredis | the first three licenses on that page offer the ability to commercially reuse a work | 20:15 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: do you know of any other license that might of interrest to us ? | 20:18 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: non-cc I mean | 20:18 |
| mecredis | well there are very few other public licenses | 20:18 |
| mecredis | that work in the same fashion as CC | 20:18 |
| mecredis | and this sounds weird for us to say, but its probably better that way | 20:18 |
| mecredis | license proliferation is a problem. | 20:18 |
| mecredis | if there are too many independent licenses then there are siloed communities of content | 20:19 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: yes I totally agree, it's like if you create a software library with a GPL-license, instead of a LGPL-license, it would will actually prevent reuse instead of promote it | 20:20 |
| mecredis | right, the ole GPL vs. permissive licenses | 20:20 |
| mecredis | debate | 20:20 |
| mecredis | so aside from the FDL | 20:20 |
| mecredis | which is what Wikipedia used to use instead of CC BY SA | 20:21 |
| mecredis | the only other license of note is the Free Art License | 20:21 |
| mecredis | but I haven't heard of anyone really using it recently | 20:21 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: and their is public domain I guess ? | 20:23 |
| mecredis | the PD is not a license | 20:23 |
| mecredis | it is a status of a work | 20:23 |
| mecredis | you can waive all your rights using CC0 | 20:23 |
| mecredis | and then the work will be effectively in the public domain | 20:23 |
| mecredis | http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero | 20:24 |
| mecredis | or the work can be in the public domain for other reasons (copyright expired over time, it was never entitled to copyright in the first place, etc.) | 20:24 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: do we need to have people in different countries choose different cc-licenses ? or atleast the text in their own language ? | 20:24 |
| mecredis | Lennie_: we make a JS widget that helps render our license choices in multiple languages | 20:25 |
| mecredis | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/LicenseChooser.js | 20:25 |
| mecredis | the licenses, however, are designed to be compatible with different ported versions | 20:25 |
| mecredis | so that a person can remix a work from china, despite the fact that is was CC licensed in Brazil, etc. | 20:25 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: I know a little about open source licenses, I use open source software and I was wondering where is the difference ? | 20:27 |
| mecredis | what is the difference between an open source license and open source software? | 20:28 |
| mecredis | not sure I understand what you're asking | 20:28 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: does the law say it's a different thing and thus you need a different license or does it just not apply ? | 20:28 |
| mecredis | what is a different thing? | 20:28 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: are these works similair by the law to say software works | 20:28 |
| mecredis | which works? | 20:28 |
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| Lennie_ | mecredis: do photo's need to be dealt with in the same manner as software, license wise ? | 20:29 |
| mecredis | both are works entitled to the same amount of copyright protection under the law | 20:29 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: I've come to understand books are quiet similair to software license wise | 20:30 |
| greg-g | yes, open source licenses are not really written for creative works (they are written for source code) while CC licenses are written for creative works (and not source code). So there is a source code / media dichotomy | 20:30 |
| Lennie_ | greg-g: ok, thanks for the answer | 20:30 |
| greg-g | "creative works" being short hand for anything not-software (I need a better term) | 20:30 |
| mecredis | but yes, as greg-g says, you shouldn't use CC licenses for open source software and vice versa | 20:30 |
| greg-g | np | 20:30 |
| Lennie_ | an other question, do you folks also answer these kinds of questions outside of the mozilla service week ? judging by your consulting page, you do | 20:32 |
| akozak | Lennie_: We have mailing lists and a good number of us are usually on IRC, although working at the same time... | 20:33 |
| mecredis | Lennie_: the idea with the consulting page is to hire CC as a consultant on a particular project for an hourly rate | 20:33 |
| greg-g | Lennie_: many of us also hang out in this IRC channel every workday (and some weekends), so we're always around | 20:33 |
| mecredis | we also offer an FAQ here: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ | 20:33 |
| akozak | mailing lists are here: http://creativecommons.org/about/informed/ | 20:34 |
| mecredis | and a general info question page here: http://creativecommons.org/contact | 20:34 |
| Lennie_ | I think that's pretty clear for now | 20:34 |
| nathany | nkinkade: JED3: paroneayea: tech call on conf line? | 20:34 |
| Lennie_ | as we've only started the project very recently :-) | 20:34 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Sure. | 20:34 |
| paroneayea | nathany | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | er | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | augh | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | nathany: yep | 20:36 |
| akozak | now that's what I call service (week) | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | *rimshot* | 20:36 |
| Lennie_ | I was actually just going over my list of questions as my webdev-partner is not here, I'll let you know when I have any other questions. :-) | 20:37 |
| Lennie_ | thank you for all your answers | 20:37 |
| mecredis | please do | 20:37 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: what about, if we want to add terms to a license (we should definitly not call it a cc-license I'm sure) | 20:42 |
| Lennie_ | and what do you folks think of this license ?: http://www.sxc.hu/info.phtml?f=help&s=7_2 | 20:43 |
| mecredis | Lennie_: not only that, but it won't be compatible with any other CC licensed works out there | 20:43 |
| mecredis | which is now numbering in 250million | 20:43 |
| mecredis | so Wikipedia won't be able to import the photos, etc. | 20:43 |
| mecredis | Lennie_: I'm not realistically going to be able to look atyour license right now | 20:44 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: yes I understand, but I don't think that's the intent of the site anyway, but I'm not trying to get an idea of how these things fit together. :-) possible better to ask stupid questions then to assume | 20:44 |
| mecredis | yeah, I suppose it depends onw hat your intent with the site is | 20:44 |
| mecredis | if you're interested in siloing your work | 20:44 |
| mecredis | and making sure it can't be reused by other people using CC licensed in parent works | 20:44 |
| mecredis | then making up your own license is a good idea | 20:45 |
| akozak | Lennie_: custom licenses tend to confuse users about their rights. | 20:46 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: the point is a bit I've not seen a cc-license which has a 'ask the author permission to use this photo'-clause, which seems to be one of the important parts of the site | 20:46 |
| mecredis | Lennie_: then I would question whether you even need a public license | 20:46 |
| akozak | Lennie_: The point of CC licenses is to specify rights so that people don't need to ask permission. | 20:46 |
| mecredis | if you want people to to always ask permission | 20:46 |
| mecredis | then there's no need to have a public license, since all works are All Rights Reserved by default under copyright law | 20:47 |
| Lennie_ | akozak: I totally agree on the part of confusion | 20:47 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: yeah, I guess that makes sence too :-) | 20:47 |
| mecredis | Lennie_: this is one of our first videos: http://creativecommons.org/videos/get-creative | 20:49 |
| mecredis | and it explains why CC licenses are good at reducing transaction costs | 20:49 |
| mecredis | which, I'm assuming, you're interested in doing | 20:49 |
| mecredis | asking permission, however, is a pretty serious transaction cost | 20:49 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: actually I think the license says you should, but a lot of times it doesn't actually happen | 20:50 |
| mecredis | which license? | 20:50 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: the one of the current sxc.hu site | 20:50 |
| mecredis | ah, I see | 20:51 |
| mecredis | so yeah, its up to you to decide if its a worthwhile clause int he first place | 20:51 |
| Lennie_ | mecredis: I think people just like to know when a photo is used and what for :-) | 20:51 |
| mecredis | indeed | 20:51 |
| mecredis | there's no reason you can't request it | 20:51 |
| mecredis | I just don't think its a good idea to require it | 20:51 |
| Lennie_ | we'll be sure to add a: donate some money to the author and/or the site as well. :-) | 20:52 |
| mecredis | sounds good to me | 20:52 |
| Lennie_ | asking doesn't cost a thing. :-) | 20:53 |
| Lennie_ | any thoughts on how to best do small international payments ? | 20:53 |
| mecredis | precisely, and by using a CC license, you get the added benefit of compatibility with other works | 20:53 |
| Lennie_ | I know of paypal, but I don't know what their cut is | 20:55 |
| mecredis | amazon payments and google checkout are also worth investgating | 20:55 |
| mecredis | paypal can be between 1-% | 20:55 |
| mecredis | err, 1-5%, if I understand it correctly | 20:55 |
| Lennie_ | sounds like a lot. :-) | 20:57 |
| mecredis | yeah, but investing in your own transaction system can be very expensive | 20:57 |
| Lennie_ | the overhead is probably worse I'm guessing, with international boundries and all | 20:58 |
| mecredis | yeah, its a tough call | 20:58 |
| paroneayea | magnatune had to recently cut out its non-paypal support because spammers were buying songs from them for small sums to test credit cards | 21:00 |
| mecredis | interesting | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | so even if you develop a decent working system, it can still really suck | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | which also means their rhythmbox and banshee plugins stopped working | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | sad :( | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | http://blogs.magnatune.com/buckman/2009/06/visa-no-more.html | 21:01 |
| mecredis | wow | 21:01 |
| mecredis | wha | 21:01 |
| mecredis | t a bummer | 21:01 |
| akozak | interesting | 21:02 |
| paulproteus | Topical for #cc | 21:02 |
| paulproteus | that's for sure. | 21:02 |
| akozak | to me the solution would be to only sell credit in larger chunks | 21:02 |
| akozak | 10$, 20$, etc | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: speaking of which, how's your buddy cardingangels doing? ;p | 21:04 |
| paulproteus | So many carders come by, I can never remember which is which. | 21:04 |
| * mecredis wonders what happened to ole cardingangels | 21:04 | |
| mecredis | that was the more insane instance | 21:04 |
| mecredis | when (s)he was pasting in #s and names | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | Oh, right, that was amazing. | 21:05 |
| mecredis | surreal and and insane | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | Dude, it's the Internet, and this is #cc. | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | That reminds me, I need to get a new drop box address. (-; | 21:05 |
| mecredis | heh | 21:06 |
| nkinkade | nathany: What do you think about me just configuring varnish to pass requests for most common media extensions? | 21:11 |
| nkinkade | I can't imagine we'll get much benefit from trying to cache media files that are 3M+ | 21:11 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i'm fine trying that | 21:11 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 21:58 |
| Lennie_ | well, I should go, thank you for your advice folks, have a nice night/day ! | 21:58 |
| akozak | ok good luck Lennie_ | 21:59 |
| Lennie_ | thank you | 21:59 |
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| akozak | wow mwlib looks pretty cool | 22:05 |
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| paroneayea | sorry about that, restarted and forgot to restart my irc client. | 22:13 |
| akozak | i think we should use teamspace for all document creation, use mwlib to parse it into latex, and then just write some neat latex templates to wrap around it | 22:15 |
| akozak | mralex what do you think about setting that up :P | 22:15 |
| akozak | would never need to worry about footnote numbering again! | 22:16 |
| ianweller | hmmm | 22:17 |
| ianweller | i got about 30 emails called "Registration Link for the Creative Commons Network" after i renewed last night. | 22:18 |
| ianweller | (and by 30 i mean, like, seven) | 22:18 |
| akozak | haha JED3 ^^ | 22:18 |
| ianweller | i tried two of them and they both worked. that sounds like a problem i should report ;) | 22:18 |
| JED3 | hi ianweller, yes I was waiting for your reply, last night you were one of two victims of a bug that I accidently released yesterday afternoon | 22:20 |
| ianweller | JED3: lol :) | 22:20 |
| ianweller | lucky me ;) | 22:20 |
| ianweller | JED3: since i just renewed a second one to test and it worked what would you like to do | 22:20 |
| JED3 | hehe, yep, we must like you alot to send you 30 emails lol | 22:20 |
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| * ianweller tries to separate the CC Network emails from the pingdom emails. my internet was awry last night | 22:21 | |
| ianweller | JED3: yeah the final count is 7 ;) | 22:21 |
| ianweller | JED3: i'm also assuming you didn't charge me seven times either | 22:22 |
| JED3 | no we certainly did not | 22:23 |
| ianweller | paypal agrees with that statement | 22:23 |
| ianweller | JED3: but it's taken care of so that's lovely. | 22:23 |
| ianweller | JED3: you can undo the second 1-year renewal that i got if you want, i'm not going to whine | 22:24 |
| ianweller | ;) | 22:24 |
| JED3 | haha, that is okay | 22:25 |
| JED3 | the second year of renewal is on the house ;) | 22:25 |
| JED3 | sorry for the confusion | 22:25 |
| ianweller | it's all good | 22:25 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 22:35 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Do you happen to know how one can view videos they have submitted to archive.org. | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | I feel lame that I can't find it. | 22:56 |
| nathany | nkinkade: you mean everything you've contributed? | 22:56 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, that would work. | 22:56 |
| nathany | if you log in i think there's a "contributions" link in the nav header | 22:56 |
| nkinkade | I just found it. | 22:57 |
| nathany | :) | 22:57 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. Sorry for the noise. | 22:57 |
| nathany | np | 22:57 |
| nkinkade | I *was* being lame. | 22:57 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Did you perhaps upload the 2008 techsummit video to archive.org under your own account? | 23:14 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Do you know by chance where the original video file for the June 2008 tech summits is? | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | So far I can only find the YouTube video. | 23:22 |
| mralex | it's not on archive.org? | 23:22 |
| mralex | oh, the summit at google | 23:22 |
| mralex | that's probably the only video, since they recorded it | 23:23 |
| mralex | it was up at video.google.com at decent quality before | 23:23 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Ah, that explains it. Thanks. | 23:24 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 23:42 |
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