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| pyrak | i have a general database architecture question: | 04:10 |
| pyrak | i have an instapaper-like web app | 04:11 |
| pyrak | it uses two db tables: accounts and list items | 04:11 |
| pyrak | list items can be favorited by users | 04:11 |
| pyrak | should that data be stored as a binary in the list item table, or a comma-separated list in the account table? | 04:12 |
| pyrak | ie: list item with id 3 has favorite set to 1 | 04:12 |
| pyrak | vs account id 5 has favorite_list set to 3,7,10 | 04:13 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons | 06:05 |
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| papyromancer | Mornin' | 12:32 |
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| OsamaK | Is it possible to use a CC-BY-ND work in a collection or a presentation while not changing it? | 14:43 |
| greg-g | OsamaK: are you talking about an image? yes. | 15:02 |
| greg-g | and in general, yes, a collection is not normally considered a derivative (in the CC:BY-ND sense) that would be prohibitive | 15:03 |
| greg-g | s/prohibitive/prohibited/ | 15:03 |
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| paroneayea | morning | 15:14 |
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| OsamaK | greg-g: So I can do what ever I wish 'around' the picture, but I shouldn't 'touch' the picture itself. right? (making a video including that picture, designing a birthday card with it).. | 15:57 |
| greg-g | hmmmm, saying the word video makes me hesitate | 15:59 |
| greg-g | let me see, one second | 15:59 |
| greg-g | syncing music to a video (or image) is considered a derivative | 16:00 |
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| greg-g | of the music | 16:00 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: what about the birthday card example? | 16:01 |
| greg-g | but, I could argue that a collection of still photos shown in a time-delayed fashion (eg: a video) would be a collection instead of an adaption | 16:02 |
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| greg-g | I would need to see it | 16:02 |
| greg-g | (the birthday card) | 16:02 |
| greg-g | "derivatives" is a very hard thing to nail down concretely sometimes | 16:03 |
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| OsamaK | right. | 16:03 |
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| greg-g | OsamaK: if you could descibe it or give me a picture of it, that would be easier. Basically, the less you touch around the photo the better, and the less you play off the photo as well (like, matching the background of the card with the background of the photo) | 16:06 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: Well, I don't have an example. But I'm trying to understand CC licenses. | 16:08 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: cc website doesn't say a lot about ND license. | 16:08 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: so you're saying that there is no certain definition for 'ND'? | 16:09 |
| greg-g | OsamaK: do you know the person who took the photo that is licensed under a -ND license? Or is there a way you might be able to find a not -ND photo to use? | 16:10 |
| greg-g | there is, don't change it | 16:10 |
| greg-g | 1.a from here: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/legalcode | 16:10 |
| greg-g | when in doubt, read the license :) | 16:10 |
| greg-g | 1.a and 1.b are the important parts for you in this case, the line between adaption and collection | 16:11 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: so in the birthday card example.. Is it possible to use the photo or not? :) | 16:13 |
| greg-g | could you tell me what are you planning on doing? just saying "birthday card" is kinda vague :) | 16:13 |
| greg-g | (note: I'm no lawyer, and don't want to me one) | 16:14 |
| greg-g | s/me/be/ | 16:14 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: something like this <http://familyfun.go.com/Resources/printable-previews/previews/0708a-Teatime-BirthdayCard.jpg> :) | 16:16 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: the right photo is the ND work. | 16:16 |
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| greg-g | the back is just some other clipart? | 16:16 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: right. | 16:17 |
| greg-g | Then you're good | 16:17 |
| greg-g | because you are basically just printing the photo (printing isn't a derivative) on a nicely sized piece of paper | 16:17 |
| greg-g | I'm only careful about saying "yes" or "no" when not seeing the actual idea because sometimes people forget to share important information like "oh, I was also going to put this cool letters over the top of the photo..." :) | 16:18 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: printing the letter is unacceptable, right? | 16:19 |
| OsamaK | *the letters | 16:19 |
| greg-g | right | 16:20 |
| OsamaK | greg-g: does CC recommend certain license for general-purpose photos? | 16:23 |
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| greg-g | OsamaK: officially, not really. personally, CC:BY or BY-SA | 16:24 |
| greg-g | the fewer restrictions on your work the less confusion there is on how others can use it | 16:24 |
| OsamaK | you're right. | 16:25 |
| OsamaK | thank you for your time greg-g | 16:25 |
| greg-g | you're very welcome, OsamaK | 16:25 |
| greg-g | have a good day, I'm going to go attack my weekend todo list | 16:25 |
| OsamaK | :) | 16:25 |
| greg-g | :) | 16:25 |
| paroneayea | I'm heading out to work from the library | 16:31 |
| paroneayea | or maybe a coffee shop | 16:32 |
| paroneayea | just not here. | 16:32 |
| paroneayea | too bad my bike is broken. I'd have more options for cheaper. | 16:32 |
| paulproteus | paroneayea, You could just focus on getting said bike fixed. | 16:34 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: that's true | 16:49 |
| greg-g | that is one of the things on my todo (I'm in between items right now): replace bike tire, clean/general TLC for bike | 17:01 |
| paroneayea | wow: http://libwww.freelibrary.org/closing/ | 17:01 |
| paroneayea | all libraries in philadelphia are closing?? | 17:02 |
| greg-g | yep | 17:02 |
| greg-g | thank you recession: kill off the most needed institutions first | 17:03 |
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| user01 | Hi everyone. My question is related to content usage of sources, which have multiple authors. E.g. an Wikipedia article has sometimes about 20 authors -- if I use the article, would I have to mention ALL authors, or would it be sufficient to link to the history page of this artice or mention the article URL on Wikipedia? | 18:35 |
| OsamaK | user01: In Wikipedia, it's enough to put a link to the article. | 18:36 |
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| OsamaK | user01: read <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright> | 18:38 |
| OsamaK | user01: "To re-distribute text on Wikipedia in any form, provide credit to the authors either by including a) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to the page or pages you are re-using, b).." | 18:39 |
| user01 | OsamaK: ok, great! :-) | 18:39 |
| user01 | OsamaK: and a bit more general, from the CC perspective? How do I attribute sources with many/multiple authors? | 18:40 |
| user01 | Is there a CC guideline, or can every source set its own parameters? | 18:41 |
| greg-g | user01: for the full legal definition of how you should attribute an auther(s), see section 4(b) here: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode | 18:42 |
| OsamaK | user01: <http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#How_do_I_properly_attribute_a_Creative_Commons_licensed_work.3F> | 18:42 |
| greg-g | or that :) The FAQ uses more normal language | 18:43 |
| OsamaK | user01: Wikipedia specified certain way for attribution, but not all authors do that. | 18:43 |
| OsamaK | user01: at the end, you have to give the credit someway | 18:44 |
| user01 | OsamaK: thank you very much, that did help a lot! :-) | 18:46 |
| OsamaK | user01: I owed CC a help to a CC user, they just helped me :) | 18:47 |
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| greg-g | :) | 18:48 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 19:15 |
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| paroneayea | aw mang | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | I feel pretty much completely lost on these new jursidiction management tools | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | but | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | maybe I should go through the tutorial for the old tools first | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | before I try to understand how they're supposed to be being refactored | 19:31 |
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