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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons | 00:08 |
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| remaxim | hi | 08:38 |
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| enzop | hey | 10:29 |
| enzop | i just had a question about the share alike licence | 10:30 |
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| jibot | mecredis is Fred Benenson. He works as Creative Commons' Culture Program Associate in NYC and joined the board of SFC after starting Free Culture @ NYU & Fred Benenson. He founded Free Culture @ NYU and graduated in May of 2005. He currently lives in New York City and works as a freelance web developer and a FreeCulture activist. He may or may not be a board member of FreeCulture.org but has worked for Creative Commons and volunteered for the EFF. & Fred Benenson. | 10:50 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is from Creative Commons and Mike Linksvayer | 15:03 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Don't tell anyone, but Pivotal Tracker is TOTALLY AWESOME. | 15:11 |
| nathany | paulproteus: yeah. i know. | 15:12 |
| paulproteus | ...would everyone hate us if we used it? | 15:12 |
| paulproteus | (-; | 15:12 |
| paulproteus | You may want to consider it, too.... | 15:12 |
| nathany | paulproteus: priv msg? | 15:13 |
| paulproteus | sure | 15:13 |
| greg-g | nkinkade1: do you know if there are any special dependencies for http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Template:Lowercase that wouldn't allow me to just steal it for the Open.Michigan wiki? | 15:14 |
| greg-g | ie: I'm trying to use it for this page: https://open.umich.edu/wiki/DScribe | 15:15 |
| greg-g | I know, other project's work, just curious if you had any pointers :) | 15:15 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 15:16 |
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| nathany | greg-g: I think that came from mediawiki initially; you might look on the mediawiki meta wiki | 15:17 |
| nathany | iirc there was some knob that had to be turned to make it work | 15:17 |
| nathany | (i assume it isn't out of the box since you're asking) | 15:17 |
| greg-g | nathany: right. thanks, I'll take a look. | 15:18 |
| paroneayea | hullo all | 15:28 |
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| remaxim | hi | 15:33 |
| greg-g | nathany: couldn't find anything that mentioned changing the config file. Oh well, I'll see if nkinkade1 has any insight when he returns. | 15:34 |
| remaxim | hey greg-g, did you get my email? | 15:35 |
| greg-g | remaxim: yes, but I haven't had time to respond yet | 15:35 |
| remaxim | np, just do it when you have some time or in the IRC | 15:36 |
| paulproteus | Template:Lowercase iirc does require a config change | 15:37 |
| greg-g | remaxim: actually, you will get a much better response if you email the cc-community mailing list, as some of them might have direct experience with your issue. | 15:37 |
| remaxim | I am quite happy that I get some sophisticated help regarding this problem | 15:37 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: oh? | 15:37 |
| paulproteus | Yes, but ask #mediawiki , I've forgotten. | 15:37 |
| greg-g | remaxim: I will be sure to respond on the cc-community mailing list, since you just called my opinions "sophisticated" :) | 15:38 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: thanks | 15:38 |
| remaxim | sure, I ll search for the mailing list... is there a way to get responses without suscribing to the whole list? | 15:39 |
| remaxim | I am not that experienced with mailing lists | 15:39 |
| remaxim | OK, don't worry about that I ll just suscribe and unsuscribe later | 15:40 |
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| remaxim | greg-g, I guess you meant the community list, didn't you? | 15:41 |
| greg-g | remaxim: yeah, I did | 15:42 |
| remaxim | thanks | 15:42 |
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| greg-g | remaxim: this is the list: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-community | 15:42 |
| greg-g | it doesn't get too much traffic, really | 15:43 |
| remaxim | I am already there, thank you | 15:43 |
| remaxim | OK, sounds good :) | 15:43 |
| greg-g | no prob | 15:43 |
| greg-g | nathany: paulproteus I think I found it (for some reason I ended up on wikipedia's help page instead of mediawiki's manual, which was less than thorough) | 15:44 |
| greg-g | thanks | 15:44 |
| paulproteus | Yay | 15:44 |
| greg-g | having Ali change it now :) | 15:45 |
| greg-g | oh crap, he's in this channel :) | 15:46 |
| lotia | sorry, just screened back in | 15:54 |
| lotia | greg-g: perhaps this will help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28technical_restrictions%29 | 15:57 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 16:29 |
| JED3 | http://drupalsucks.com/ | 16:29 |
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| remaxim | message sent ... | 16:53 |
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| nkinkade | greg-g: Looks like you've already figured something out about that template? | 17:04 |
| nkinkade | I hope so, because I haven't any other info. :-) | 17:04 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: you may be interested in this -- http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=55Y9003¤t-category-id=E6710B8C5A5F44239217E34D281CCDD9 | 17:18 |
| nathany | (thinkpad keyboard for desktop use) | 17:18 |
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| greg-g | nkinkade: well, not really, it isn't working right now but I got distracted and moved on to other things :) | 17:24 |
| remaxim | greg-g, thanks for your tip, the discussion already started in the mailing list | 17:26 |
| greg-g | remaxim: you're welcome, I knew they would be quicker to respond than I. | 17:27 |
| remaxim | I didn't believe it but they actually are, thanks | 17:27 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:27 |
| greg-g | they tend to have time during our work day hours :) | 17:27 |
| remaxim | greg-g, I just got a respond by Mike Linksvayer ... I really didn't expect that | 17:30 |
| remaxim | I probably should let you do your work and concentrate on the discussion ... | 17:31 |
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| akozak | remaxim: You could always reconsider your desire for NC :) | 17:32 |
| mlinksva | yeah everyone, get back to work. :) greg-g, nice editing w/you :) | 17:35 |
| akozak | greg-g and mlinksva: were you working on that case studies problem? | 17:36 |
| mlinksva | akozak: that would be work, no | 17:37 |
| akozak | ah | 17:37 |
| greg-g | mlinksva: :) | 17:39 |
| remaxim | akozak, how do you mean that? I try to convince game makers all the time, but it doesn't work with any bigger project | 17:41 |
| akozak | remaxim: convince them not to use NC or to use it? | 17:42 |
| remaxim | akozak, actually to use it | 17:43 |
| greg-g | remaxim: I believe he meant to reconsider your desire for the use of NC with your game music. | 17:47 |
| remaxim | greg-g, like not to use it? | 17:47 |
| greg-g | because dropping the NC "solves" the problem (for certain values of "solve") :) | 17:47 |
| greg-g | right | 17:47 |
| akozak | yes, sorry. | 17:48 |
| remaxim | I tried, but I don't feel like investing much time or effort if it can be used by anyone for their commercial games | 17:48 |
| remaxim | I released some stuff without the NC, but it always made me troubles and I stopped after a while | 17:48 |
| remaxim | to me by-sa is not much different to public domain if it comes to commercial game making ... the attribution isn't worth that much to me nor the small to no changes they make and release | 17:50 |
| akozak | remaxim: That's a valid sentiment... does your work end up being used commercially when you don't use NC? | 17:52 |
| remaxim | akozak, not that I realized yet... | 17:53 |
| remaxim | but I think that many independent game makers and especially flash game producers are looking for free content ... | 17:54 |
| remaxim | I think the use of not nc material in commercial games and projects will rise soon... | 17:56 |
| akozak | remaxim: Yes, hopefully :) | 17:57 |
| remaxim | akozak, sure... but that is not what I want with my work | 17:59 |
| akozak | remaxim: Right, I'm not trying to say you need to use NC, that's totally up to you. | 17:59 |
| remaxim | hm... you mean the other way round | 18:00 |
| remaxim | don't you? | 18:00 |
| akozak | remaxim: we just see a lot of people who exclude their work from interesting uses (for example, youir music being included in a FOSS game) because of some vague fear of commercial use. | 18:00 |
| akozak | not that the fear isn't a real possibility | 18:01 |
| akozak | err, yea the other way around | 18:01 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I've seen that in use at a friend's office (-: | 18:01 |
| akozak | sorry | 18:01 |
| nathany | paulproteus: was it as wonderful as I suspect? | 18:01 |
| remaxim | akozak, yeah... but I feel like I am not the only one feeling this way. and opening FOSS games could help them a lot | 18:02 |
| akozak | remaxim: All I'm trying to get across is that it would be a shame if your desire for NC kept your music out of the game, especially if the work never would have been used commercially anyways :) | 18:02 |
| remaxim | akozak, but it does and I do have serious reasons for my point of view | 18:05 |
| akozak | remaxim: Right, I don't mean to minimize those worries. | 18:05 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Probably, but I didn't actually try it. | 18:05 |
| paulproteus | There's also a Mac one, as you surely have seen. | 18:06 |
| remaxim | ah, OK... than I just have to agree with you... it's a shame that it keeps me from contributing ... | 18:06 |
| remaxim | I try to find a way, but couldn't find one yet | 18:06 |
| akozak | remaxim: Might be worth reading this for a different perspective on NC http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC | 18:11 |
| remaxim | akozak, I ll take a look at it... | 18:12 |
| remaxim | akozak, it is acually not one bit convincing to me ... just the old things I ve heard over and over again | 18:20 |
| akozak | remaxim: fair enough, I gave it a shot :) | 18:21 |
| remaxim | sure, thanks for linking | 18:21 |
| remaxim | wow, this guy seems to be quite some kind of fanatic who wants to proceed against people/works using the NC license ... | 18:25 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: I have not | 18:30 |
| nathany | my mac time is limited these days | 18:30 |
| remaxim | bye | 18:54 |
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| akozak | is there some setup i need to do to skype in office (port forwards)? | 19:40 |
| akozak | jane and i can't seem to show up on each others call list | 19:41 |
| paulproteus | Within the office? Oh boy. |: | 20:03 |
| paulproteus | Both within the office? | 20:03 |
| paulproteus | Wait, no, Jane's far away. | 20:03 |
| paulproteus | "It should work." | 20:03 |
| nathany | nkinkade1: JED3-curry: paroneayea: let's scrub the tech sync meeting for today; Chris is @ DjangoCon, Nathan is @ Civi training | 20:21 |
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| JED3 | cool, sounds good to me | 20:21 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: anything exciting happening in Portland? | 20:21 |
| nkinkade1 | nathany: Yeah, I'm in a session right now ... not a good time for me to meet. | 20:22 |
| nathany | :) | 20:22 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons | 20:37 |
| JED3 | mecredis: let me know if you got that promo code email | 20:46 |
| mecredis | k | 20:47 |
| mecredis | hrm is that the final text? | 20:47 |
| JED3 | no i haven't added your text yet | 20:47 |
| mecredis | ok | 20:47 |
| mecredis | :) | 20:47 |
| mecredis | can we disable the promocode field and grey it out so it can't be edited? | 20:47 |
| mecredis | hrm, JED< getting a 404 on | 20:49 |
| mecredis | http://creativecommons.net/a/register/5eaef31b2534235426bfda5c8b5335962bf295 | 20:49 |
| JED3 | hmm yeah sure | 20:49 |
| mecredis | err, | 20:49 |
| mecredis | http://staging.creativecommons.net/a/register/5eaef31b2534235426bfda5c8b5335962bf295 | 20:49 |
| JED3 | is prepoluted, we can set the input to editable false | 20:49 |
| mecredis | right | 20:49 |
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| remaxim | hi | 20:49 |
| JED3 | mecredis: thats the link you got in the email? | 20:53 |
| mecredis | well it sends me | 20:53 |
| mecredis | http://creativecommons.net/a/register/5eaef31b2534235426bfda5c8b5335962bf295f6 | 20:53 |
| JED3 | yeah | 20:53 |
| mecredis | but I prepended staging. | 20:53 |
| mecredis | http://creativecommons.net/a/register/5eaef31b2534235426bfda5c8b5335962bf295f6 doesn't work | 20:53 |
| JED3 | are you sure it doesn't? | 20:53 |
| mecredis | let me check | 20:53 |
| mecredis | Page not Found | 20:54 |
| JED3 | because those first 2 you posted in here are missing the last 2 characters "f6" | 20:54 |
| JED3 | the later 2 have it | 20:54 |
| mecredis | weird | 20:54 |
| mecredis | ah | 20:54 |
| mecredis | badabing | 20:54 |
| mecredis | good catch | 20:54 |
| JED3 | :) | 20:54 |
| mecredis | ok will rework these a bit | 20:55 |
| JED3 | alrighty | 20:55 |
| JED3 | nathany, mecredis: thoughts on https://creativecommons.net/h/about/#identify | 20:56 |
| mecredis | hrm | 20:56 |
| mecredis | renew is ridrecting me to /upgrade | 20:56 |
| JED3 | oh really? | 20:56 |
| mecredis | yes | 20:57 |
| nathany | JED3: kill the first sentence and rework the remaining text | 20:57 |
| nathany | (probably replace the first sentence) | 20:57 |
| JED3 | okay | 20:57 |
| mecredis | JED3: I'll aim you a suggestion | 20:58 |
| JED3 | mecredis: you are logged in with your new registered username | 21:04 |
| mecredis | I believe so? | 21:04 |
| mecredis | I guess we don't need "upgrade" right now | 21:04 |
| JED3 | i just when through the register process and renew doesnt redirect for me | 21:05 |
| mecredis | you're looking at /upgrade? | 21:05 |
| JED3 | no? premium users are redirected from upgrade->renew | 21:07 |
| mecredis | right | 21:07 |
| mecredis | so does anyone see /upgrade ? | 21:07 |
| JED3 | not unless they are a free user, which we won't have any of | 21:07 |
| mecredis | right | 21:08 |
| mecredis | so for now | 21:08 |
| mecredis | i'll just get /renew ready | 21:08 |
| JED3 | ohh yeah, good | 21:08 |
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| JED3 | nathany: do you know of any good resources for history rewriting in magit? | 22:00 |
| nathany | JED3: yikes. no. | 22:00 |
| JED3 | okay thanks | 22:00 |
| nathany | i've used the magit user guide with some success in the past | 22:00 |
| nathany | that's it | 22:00 |
| JED3 | yeah, thats all i'm finding | 22:00 |
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