| pyrak | Bovinity, yarp, that did it. for some reason. | 00:04 |
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| Bovinity | blame web standards | 00:04 |
| Bovinity | :P | 00:04 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: morning | 13:41 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Hi. | 13:41 |
| nkinkade | What are you doing here? | 13:41 |
| nkinkade | Get back to your vacation! | 13:41 |
| nathany | just saw the linode email | 13:41 |
| nkinkade | Ah. | 13:41 |
| nathany | just glancing @ email before heading to the beach :) | 13:42 |
| nkinkade | Where are you? | 13:42 |
| nathany | i forget what the login details are | 13:42 |
| nathany | are they in teamspace? | 13:42 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Probably. | 13:42 |
| nkinkade | Let me check. | 13:42 |
| nathany | Dauphin Island, Alabama | 13:42 |
| nathany | (between mobile bay and gulf of mexico) | 13:42 |
| nkinkade | Whoa. Why Alabama? | 13:43 |
| nathany | my parents wanted a quiet vacation rental with a beach | 13:44 |
| nathany | we'd been to Hilton Head previously, some friends of theirs recommended this as a quiet alternative | 13:44 |
| nathany | it's very quiet and pretty nice, actually | 13:44 |
| nathany | nkinkade: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dauphin_Island | 13:45 |
| nkinkade | I'm still looking for the user/pass for that. | 13:46 |
| nkinkade | I'm about to go the "I forgot my user/pass" route. | 13:46 |
| nathany | ok | 13:46 |
| nathany | just ping me when you have it and i'll update the card info | 13:46 |
| nkinkade | Oh, I'm sure it's nice there. The Gulf of Mexico has some beautiful spots. | 13:49 |
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| nathany | yeah | 13:50 |
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| paroneayea | morning | 14:25 |
| toxicspud | howdy | 14:41 |
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| JED3 | is Chris in here? sorry, if you are, I forgot your nickname | 16:31 |
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| paroneayea | yay, my internets are back | 16:42 |
| * paroneayea was just about to head to the library | 16:42 | |
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| JED3 | hey paroneayea, just read your email, i'll send a more thorough primer in just a sec | 16:45 |
| paroneayea | JED3: yay! | 16:45 |
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| JED3 | hey nkinkade, is there a page on teamspace that details the process of updating the translations for the deeds? | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Do you mean generating new Deeds once translations have been submitted? | 16:59 |
| JED3 | well yes, that would be helpful too | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | Not specifically, that I know of, but integrated into a more generalized document on launching a jurisdiciton: | 17:00 |
| nkinkade | teamspace:/Deploying_jurisdictions | 17:00 |
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| JED3 | wow | 17:01 |
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| JED3 | is there a teamspace page documenting how to use the po2cc scripts? | 17:03 |
| JED3 | ... for updating the catalogs, uploading to pootle, etc | 17:03 |
| pyrak | JED3, dunno, but when you figure it out get back to me! we need to do that for ccsearch | 17:08 |
| pyrak | also maybe jswidget | 17:08 |
| pyrak | though i haven't figured out yet how jswidget does translations. some js/python alchemy. | 17:09 |
| JED3 | pyrak: I can explain it in person, but I was wondering if a page had been created on teamspace because I have to read through the scripts comments everytime as a refresher | 17:09 |
| pyrak | oic | 17:14 |
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| greg-g | pyrak: is there any chance you can change the repo of jswidget to LicenseChooser.js (capitalization optional) | 17:27 |
| greg-g | since that is what it is referred to as in the wiki and in PR posts | 17:27 |
| JED3 | greg-g: probably not a great idea since most people are using the scripts hosted at code.cc.org/svnroot/jswidget.... | 17:29 |
| JED3 | so changing the name of the repo would change the URI | 17:29 |
| greg-g | oh, they're just calling from the svn repo directly? | 17:29 |
| JED3 | yes | 17:29 |
| greg-g | hmmm | 17:30 |
| pyrak | ohdear | 17:30 |
| greg-g | mainly because we don't release LicenseChooser.js very often, I suppose. So there is no non-repo static page to point to. | 17:30 |
| JED3 | nope :/ | 17:31 |
| * greg-g ponders the possibilities moving forward | 17:32 | |
| akozak | nkinkade: nathany and Ahrash had a discussion recently about email listservs and turns out I'll be the one giving out listservs to international opened groups if they need it. | 17:33 |
| akozak | nkinkade: Is it possible to add me to ibiblio so that I can create lists? | 17:33 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: now that I think about it, isnt this unnecessary load on a7? aren't we having trouble with the repo web views there? this could be one possible culprit | 17:33 |
| nkinkade | akozak: We can't add new email lists. We have to write to ibiblio and have them add it for us. | 17:33 |
| nkinkade | http://www.ibiblio.org/help/ | 17:33 |
| akozak | oh I see | 17:34 |
| greg-g | JED3: good point. | 17:34 |
| akozak | nkinkade: that's weird, do we have a local solution for the cc lists? | 17:35 |
| nkinkade | JED3: What's the context? | 17:35 |
| nkinkade | You mean doing make for jswidget? | 17:35 |
| nkinkade | JED3: But regarding your earlier question about how to use po2cc and such, the only thing I know about is this: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Translating_with_Pootle/Administration | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | Asheesh wrote that up. | 17:37 |
| JED3 | ahh great | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | It's not comprehensive, but it should be enough to get going. | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | JED3: What were you talking about when you mentioned load on a7? | 17:37 |
| pyrak | jswidget does use some php logic every time its queried | 17:38 |
| JED3 | greg-g: nkinkade: whether or not adopters of LicenseChooser.js were using the scripts hosted from the svnroot | 17:38 |
| JED3 | but they aren't I was mistaken | 17:38 |
| pyrak | also, isn't jswidget hosted in two places? one on labs and one on api? or something like that? | 17:39 |
| nkinkade | And I think even if it were, the load would be minimal. All the servers have a PHP oject code cache: APC. | 17:39 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: What do you mean by "hosted?" | 17:39 |
| pyrak | i guess i mean checked out and web-accessible | 17:40 |
| pyrak | let me confirm that what i'm saying is true | 17:40 |
| pyrak | http://api.creativecommons.org/jswidget/tags/0.97/example_web_app/ | 17:41 |
| pyrak | http://labs.creativecommons.org/demos/jswidget/tags/0.97/example_web_app/ | 17:41 |
| pyrak | is labs just for staging or something? | 17:41 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Yeah, labs is likely for staging something. | 17:42 |
| JED3 | pyrak: view source for the labs example | 17:42 |
| JED3 | it still uses the api.cc.org | 17:42 |
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| pyrak | JED3, sure it does. but i'm actually making changes to that there source, in the repo | 17:43 |
| JED3 | the labs.cc.org is just a checkout of the jswidget repo | 17:46 |
| akozak | nkinkade: Why do we use ibiblio for listservs? Isn't that a pretty low-cost/low-upkeep thing to run locally? | 17:47 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I think it's a historical thing. | 17:47 |
| akozak | oh ok... | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | We had a lot of mail lists with them, so we just stayed with them. | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | It's one less thing we have to maintain. | 17:48 |
| akozak | nkinkade: I'm asking because I'll probably need to add more than one list as we get more international communities on opened. | 17:48 |
| akozak | nkinkade: How does CCi do it? | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | Just fill out that /help form, tell them who you are and what you need the list for ... that's what I've done in the past. | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | All the international lists worked the same way. | 17:49 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Feel free to not use ibiblio. Maybe you could use Google Groups. | 17:49 |
| nkinkade | (another egg in the Google basket) | 17:49 |
| akozak | nkinkade: No I was mostly just curious, it isn't a huge hassle or anything. | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | It's not a hassle to created lists with ibiblio, but if you plan to make dozens and dozens it could get tedious. | 17:50 |
| akozak | heh, let's hope I'm not doing that | 17:51 |
| nkinkade | Google Groups might not be a bad option. | 17:51 |
| JED3 | mecredis: can I ask a quick question? why didn't you use jswidget in the Facebook app? | 17:52 |
| mecredis | hey hey | 17:52 |
| mecredis | JED3: I tried poking around with it | 17:53 |
| mecredis | and it was actually kind of difficult to use | 17:53 |
| mecredis | but that just might be my ignorance | 17:53 |
| mecredis | the whole app was kind of a proof of concept with the intention of eventually doing a rewrite | 17:53 |
| JED3 | ohh okay, jw | 17:54 |
| JED3 | i recall seeing someone using the jswidget js from code.cc.org/svnroot but I can't find any evidence | 17:56 |
| mecredis | hrm | 17:56 |
| mecredis | ... | 17:56 |
| mecredis | not sure what to offer | 17:56 |
| JED3 | ha nothing, I just checked through the facebook code to see if you used the wrong uri and saw that you didn't use jswidget at all! which sparked my curiosity | 17:57 |
| mecredis | yeah, just copied the behavior of /choose basically | 17:57 |
| JED3 | yeah | 17:57 |
| mecredis | my code is int he git repository | 17:57 |
| mecredis | I'm sure its atrocious | 17:57 |
| JED3 | its not bad, whats the status of that projecT? | 17:58 |
| mecredis | well I did v2 | 17:58 |
| mecredis | which allows pages | 17:58 |
| mecredis | and required quite a bit of a rewrite | 17:58 |
| mecredis | with the hope that a large facebook page / corporation that shall remain nameless | 17:58 |
| mecredis | was going to install it | 17:58 |
| mecredis | currently their lawyers are working it out | 17:58 |
| mecredis | the one thing I want to add before rolling out v2 is a ping to a db that registers the user ID | 17:58 |
| mecredis | because Giorgos is intersted in doing general demographic research | 17:59 |
| JED3 | ohh cool, mecredis is that kosher? | 17:59 |
| mecredis | according to whom? | 17:59 |
| JED3 | our privacy policy? | 17:59 |
| mecredis | I believe so | 18:00 |
| mecredis | though we don't have a FB app privacy policy | 18:00 |
| JED3 | oh okay, cool | 18:00 |
| mecredis | I've talked it over with ML, etc. | 18:00 |
| mecredis | the basic idea is that if you're giving the app permission | 18:00 |
| mecredis | you've already shared who you are with us | 18:00 |
| mecredis | and you can control that, etc. | 18:00 |
| mecredis | it is strange, however, that FB won't let you do queries | 18:00 |
| mecredis | to see who is using your app | 18:01 |
| akozak | I'm tankful for that :) | 18:01 |
| akozak | thankful* | 18:01 |
| mecredis | hahah | 18:01 |
| JED3 | +1 | 18:01 |
| mecredis | I'm not sure how i feel about it | 18:02 |
| mecredis | in some ways I get it | 18:02 |
| mecredis | I share your thankfulness | 18:02 |
| akozak | Well, then every stupid FB game app could turn into market research | 18:02 |
| mecredis | but in other ways, it seems ridiculous to artificially limit a query | 18:02 |
| akozak | every app business would also be a marketing firm | 18:02 |
| mecredis | every stupid FB game /is/ market research | 18:02 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 18:02 |
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| Bovinity | you really can't get stats on users of your app? | 18:03 |
| mecredis | other FB developers think its crazy that we're not caching user info, etc. | 18:03 |
| mecredis | Bovinity: we get decent info through "Insights" | 18:03 |
| mecredis | but its a horrible interface | 18:03 |
| akozak | true, but we should make it harder for them to have access to all the data imo | 18:03 |
| mecredis | and impossible to export | 18:03 |
| Bovinity | ah | 18:03 |
| akozak | FB probably doesn't want to just hand over a database of user data to any popular app developer | 18:03 |
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| mecredis | akozak: they already do | 18:03 |
| Bovinity | mecredis: is there a feedback mechanism for people? | 18:03 |
| akozak | mecredis: oh? | 18:03 |
| mecredis | akozak yeah, you can do queries on anyone who has installed your app | 18:04 |
| mecredis | there are certain things you're not supposed to share with other people | 18:04 |
| akozak | mecredis: But you said it was limited didn't you? | 18:04 |
| mecredis | FB just asks you nicely in their dev wiki | 18:04 |
| mecredis | akozak: just in this one particular query | 18:04 |
| mecredis | thats why its so stupid | 18:04 |
| akozak | hmm | 18:04 |
| pyrak | we talked about this with CDT and ACLU and EFF ppl | 18:04 |
| mecredis | Bovinity: I suppose the app page itself works | 18:04 |
| mecredis | pyrak: ohyeah? | 18:05 |
| mecredis | http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=78186376044 | 18:05 |
| pyrak | turns out farcebook apps can also get info on triends that are 2 degrees away from you | 18:05 |
| mecredis | Bovinity: ^^ | 18:05 |
| pyrak | friends* | 18:05 |
| mecredis | pyrak: indeed | 18:05 |
| Bovinity | ah, yeah | 18:05 |
| * mecredis tries to find the link in the developer wiki where they ask nicely | 18:05 | |
| Bovinity | mecredis: so people are commenting. that's good. can we leverage that, and direct people to donate? | 18:06 |
| mecredis | http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Users.getInfo | 18:06 |
| mecredis | Bovinity: yes, that's a great idea | 18:06 |
| mecredis | also on our Page too | 18:06 |
| mecredis | and cause | 18:06 |
| mecredis | we should repeatedly spam them | 18:06 |
| JED3 | the user usage api call is a commonly requested feature according to the forums, FB seems reluctant to provide the service, but are welcoming to the idea of developers implementing it themselves on their end | 18:07 |
| pyrak | perhaps we can persuade a nigerian prince to use his negotiating powers? | 18:07 |
| mecredis | JED3: hence the storing of user IDs that we can then query on our own time | 18:07 |
| JED3 | yeah, i'm just surprised they would lean to that side of the fence | 18:07 |
| mecredis | its seems bizarre | 18:08 |
| JED3 | if they're concerned with privacy thats the much more dangerous approach | 18:08 |
| mecredis | and was what I was talking with ML about a while ago in the office | 18:08 |
| mecredis | is that there's this question of software freedom | 18:08 |
| mecredis | mixed with privacy | 18:08 |
| mecredis | they're specifically disabling a query | 18:08 |
| mecredis | with the intention of providing security through obscurity | 18:08 |
| JED3 | bleh | 18:09 |
| mecredis | but its trivial to recreate it | 18:09 |
| mecredis | if you cache user IDs | 18:09 |
| mecredis | so are they saying don't cache user IDs? nope | 18:09 |
| mecredis | hahah | 18:09 |
| mecredis | its so weird | 18:09 |
| mecredis | welcome to the bizarro world of the FB API | 18:10 |
| akozak | which is apparently a half a billion dollar business | 18:10 |
| akozak | FB is in a weird spot with it right now | 18:10 |
| mecredis | definitely | 18:10 |
| mecredis | its like a slightly porous walled garden | 18:10 |
| JED3 | as soon as that API opened I left FB | 18:10 |
| akozak | http://venturebeat.com/2009/05/08/facebook-platform-developers-could-see-500m-in-revenue-this-year/ | 18:11 |
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| * paroneayea is new to zc.buildout | 18:39 | |
| paroneayea | I'm still used to the non-system-python development environment thing | 18:40 |
| paroneayea | but I've mostly used virtualenv | 18:40 |
| paroneayea | well, workingenv too | 18:40 |
| JED3 | well zc.buildout is similar in nature, which project are you trying to build? | 18:40 |
| paroneayea | oh, I was reading up on it | 18:41 |
| JED3 | ohh okay | 18:41 |
| paroneayea | I'm going to work on setting up environments once I'm done reading here | 18:41 |
| JED3 | are you reading the pypi page? | 18:42 |
| paroneayea | just finished watching the screencasts on http://www.buildout.org/screencasts.html | 18:42 |
| akozak | mecredis that WV conference page is fugly | 18:42 |
| paroneayea | I'm a bit thrown off by having an src/ directory inside a python package | 18:43 |
| paroneayea | usually I'm used to having an src/ directory that *contains* python packages inside a virtualenv :) | 18:43 |
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| mrlarner | if you license a work under cc and disallow commercial usage...being the "copyright holder" can you at some later point in time allow a commercial usage of that work? would that be improper? | 19:09 |
| greg-g | mrlarner: as the copyright holder, you can do whatever you want with the work. sell it, license it under multiple licenses (CC licenses are exclusive), etc. | 19:17 |
| greg-g | correction: CC License are NOT exclusive | 19:17 |
| greg-g | forgot a word :) | 19:17 |
| mrlarner | i thought so...was just pondering that this morning, thanks! | 19:17 |
| greg-g | no problem | 19:17 |
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| hardbop200 | hi everyone - I noticed in the readme about a bug regarding .tpl extensions; can someone give me some guidance on how to get around that? | 20:02 |
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| greg-g | hardbop200: which piece of software are you referring to? cchost? | 20:20 |
| akozak | pyrak: around? | 20:21 |
| hardbop200 | greg-g: yes, cchost | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | $ python bootstrap/bootstrap.py | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | $ ./bin/buildout | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | where is bootstrap.py supposed to come from? | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | in terms of cc.engine | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | it isn't placed via setup.py develop, nor is it contained within cc.engine itself.. | 20:23 |
| paroneayea | nor is bin/buildout available there | 20:24 |
| paroneayea | well, I easy_installed zc.buildout which provides bin/buildout, it seems | 20:26 |
| paroneayea | still not sure where bootstrap.py should come from | 20:26 |
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| mecredis__ | paulproteus: is fc-discuss alive? | 20:28 |
| paroneayea | This bit of documentation also appears to be outdated: | 20:30 |
| paroneayea | You can build cc.engine for development by specifying the buildout configuration on the command line :: | 20:30 |
| paroneayea | $ ./bin/buildout -c dev.buildout.cfg | 20:30 |
| paroneayea | or at least, running find for that file in that directory returned no results | 20:30 |
| paroneayea | JED3: ^^^ | 20:33 |
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| paroneayea | apparently my connection went out there... flaky internets | 20:41 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: ohh sorry about that | 20:52 |
| paroneayea | np | 20:52 |
| JED3 | yeah that documentation is outdated/misphrased | 20:52 |
| JED3 | I've never seen a dev buildout config checked into cc.engine, but the point is you could easily create your own | 20:53 |
| paroneayea | ahhh, ok | 20:53 |
| paroneayea | so where is bootstrap/bootstrap.py supposed to come from? | 20:54 |
| paroneayea | or does it really matter? ;) | 20:55 |
| JED3 | bootstrap.py is a script from buildout | 20:55 |
| JED3 | so thats actually the only "dependency fetch" you have to do yourself | 20:55 |
| paroneayea | ah ok | 20:56 |
| JED3 | personally I aliased "zc.boot" to wget the script from their trunk :) | 20:56 |
| paroneayea | :) | 20:56 |
| paroneayea | ok then.. that makes sense. Thx | 20:57 |
| JED3 | np, sorry about the reply, I've had a draft window all day but havent finished writing it | 20:57 |
| JED3 | is there anything that I could help explaining right now? | 20:58 |
| paroneayea | hm, nope.. that's all I've got for the moment | 20:58 |
| JED3 | cool | 20:58 |
| paroneayea | I'm sure I'll have more things to pester you with soon enough ;) | 20:58 |
| paroneayea | brb though | 20:58 |
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| pyrak | are there known issues with the wplicense repo? | 21:32 |
| pyrak | Fetching external item into 'wp-content/plugins/wplicense' | 21:32 |
| pyrak | svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default' | 21:32 |
| pyrak | svn: Target path does not exist | 21:32 |
| JED3 | pyrak: is that the result of a checkout from code.cc.org? | 21:33 |
| pyrak | JED3, i'm really not sure... i just ran an svn up on the freeculture.org wordpress install | 21:35 |
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| pyrak | apparently wordpress's automatic plugin install thing uses subversion? | 21:35 |
| JED3 | yes | 21:35 |
| pyrak | with externals? | 21:35 |
| greg-g | hardbop200: sorry for the delay. Your best bet would be to email the cchost mailing list: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cctools-cchost The main developer see those messages and will respond (he doesn't hang out on IRC much) | 21:35 |
| JED3 | pyrak: i dont think so, but let me look closer | 21:36 |
| JED3 | can you do me a favor though? | 21:36 |
| pyrak | JED3, yar | 21:36 |
| JED3 | cd into the wplicense plugins folder | 21:36 |
| JED3 | and run svn info | 21:36 |
| pyrak | on this wordpress install? | 21:36 |
| JED3 | and ensure that its from plugins.wp.org and not code.cc.org | 21:36 |
| JED3 | yes | 21:37 |
| pyrak | JED3, ensured | 21:38 |
| pyrak | plugins.svn.wp.o | 21:38 |
| JED3 | shizer | 21:38 |
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| pyrak | note: it's possible that we've done something funny here: this server is sometimes a little bit of a mess | 21:39 |
| JED3 | what revision is it at? | 21:39 |
| pyrak | 104320 | 21:39 |
| JED3 | pyrak: I think what happened is that the repo uri changed | 21:49 |
| pyrak | JED3, ohdear | 21:50 |
| pyrak | so is my best option to just delete the files and then re-install? | 21:50 |
| JED3 | yeah, it used to be "/wpLicense" and now its "/wplicense" | 21:50 |
| JED3 | ... i think | 21:50 |
| JED3 | you should update your wp base with --ignore-externals | 21:51 |
| JED3 | then just checkout the wplicense into plugins again | 21:51 |
| JED3 | or del/add the svn:external your choice | 21:52 |
| pyrak | hrm, the checkout is of a release branch anyway :/ | 21:58 |
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| paroneayea | hmm | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | failing on importing cc.license.license | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | importing cc.license works fine though | 22:13 |
| JED3 | hmm, are all you getting is an ImportError? | 22:15 |
| paroneayea | File "/home/cwebber/env/ccommons/src/cc.engine/cc/engine/__init__.py", line 14, in <module> | 22:16 |
| paroneayea | import cc.engine.chooser | 22:16 |
| paroneayea | File "/home/cwebber/env/ccommons/src/cc.engine/cc/engine/chooser.py", line 21, in <module> | 22:16 |
| paroneayea | import cc.license.license | 22:16 |
| paroneayea | ImportError: No module named license | 22:16 |
| paroneayea | yep | 22:16 |
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| paroneayea | looking in the egg, that seems correct too... I only see cc.license as being available... I see cc/license/__init__.py but no cc/license/license.py | 22:17 |
| paroneayea | maybe an old version? | 22:17 |
| paroneayea | http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-commits/2008-December/000376.html <- seems to be that elsewhere there *is* a cc.license.license | 22:18 |
| paroneayea | I'm running out of the 0.2 egg | 22:18 |
| paroneayea | yeah, looks like that's the issue | 22:20 |
| paroneayea | last tagged version doesn't have cc.license.license, but trunk does | 22:20 |
| paroneayea | I'll check out trunk | 22:20 |
| JED3 | yeah there should certainly be a license.py in there ;) | 22:26 |
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| paroneayea | ~. | 22:59 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 23:50 |
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