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| nkinkade | nathany: Are you working on discovered? | 15:35 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes, trying to restart it | 15:36 |
| nathany | it's back now | 15:36 |
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| Bovinity | nathany: http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/manual.html | 16:44 |
| nathany | Bovinity: cool, although i'm pretty addicted to magit | 16:47 |
| nathany | (for emacs) | 16:47 |
| JED3 | Bovinity: are you using tig? | 16:48 |
| Bovinity | JED3: i just came across it | 16:48 |
| JED3 | ahh okay | 16:48 |
| Bovinity | im a fan of GitX though. a nice OS X gui. | 16:49 |
| JED3 | yeah gitx is pretty nice | 16:49 |
| JED3 | wish there was an equivalent and free one for svn | 16:49 |
| paroneayea | JED3: use git-svn, and then your preferred git interface, and there you go :) | 16:59 |
| nathany | or try gsc (http://gitorious.org/gsc) for boostrapping (since we have tons of externals) #shamelessplug | 17:00 |
| nathany | paroneayea: JED3: ^^ | 17:00 |
| paroneayea | nathany: oh hey, neat | 17:03 |
| paroneayea | I was wondering why you dented that you were writing unit tests for git-svn and etc | 17:03 |
| nathany | paroneayea: as you'll soon see we have TONS of svn:externals here | 17:03 |
| paroneayea | I'm not going to lie in that git's architecture of a billion perl scripts wrapping c binaries scares me | 17:04 |
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| paroneayea | but using it is still nice | 17:04 |
| paroneayea | nathany: aha :) | 17:04 |
| nathany | oh, yeah, +1 | 17:04 |
| JED3 | paroneayea = Chris? if so, hi :) | 17:04 |
| nathany | oh, right | 17:04 |
| paroneayea | JED3: yep, this is chris | 17:04 |
| nathany | yes | 17:04 |
| Bovinity | the new chris? | 17:04 |
| nathany | paroneayea: you'll also get to see how horrible I am at making timely introductions | 17:04 |
| nathany | as in... now | 17:04 |
| nathany | yes | 17:04 |
| JED3 | haha | 17:04 |
| Bovinity | good job, sir! | 17:04 |
| paroneayea | :) | 17:05 |
| nathany | Bovinity (alex), meet paroneayea (Chris) | 17:05 |
| paroneayea | nice to meet everyone | 17:05 |
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| paroneayea | bad time for introductions too... I just promised a couple people I'd meet them for lunch a few minutes ago. I'm going to head out the door before I'm massively late or whatever | 17:06 |
| paroneayea | bbiab | 17:06 |
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| paroneayea | back | 18:13 |
| paroneayea | sorry about that | 18:13 |
| paroneayea | Bovinity: so you're the graphic designer here? | 18:15 |
| Bovinity | paroneayea: yep | 18:15 |
| paroneayea | cool | 18:15 |
| paroneayea | and JED3 is John Doig then? | 18:16 |
| * paroneayea is trying to match people up to http://creativecommons.org/about/people/ | 18:17 | |
| JED3 | aye | 18:17 |
| greg-g | paroneayea: I'm greg, er, obviously ;) | 18:17 |
| Bovinity | mecredis is fred | 18:17 |
| paroneayea | greg-g: aha, I have read many a dent of yours :) | 18:17 |
| greg-g | paroneayea: hopefully not too many :) | 18:18 |
| paroneayea | :) | 18:18 |
| paroneayea | mecredis: hello, Fred | 18:19 |
| mecredis | hey hey? | 18:49 |
| mecredis | who is paroneayea | 18:49 |
| mecredis | new guy? | 18:49 |
| mecredis | ;-P | 18:49 |
| paroneayea | mecredis: yeah, I'm Chris Webber, new programmer | 18:50 |
| mecredis | nice to meet you | 18:50 |
| mecredis | I should be out in SF in mid august | 18:51 |
| mecredis | what are you working on? | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | nothing yet, haven't actually started yet :) | 18:51 |
| mecredis | nice, well off to a good start | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | heh | 18:51 |
| mecredis | I'm doing product management for CC network | 18:51 |
| mecredis | not sure if you got wind of that thang | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | I saw that you do project mangement on the people page | 18:57 |
| mecredis | heh | 18:57 |
| Bovinity | mecredis: maybe your bio needs some updating | 18:58 |
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| mecredis | ineed | 18:58 |
| paroneayea | but I actually haven't really looked at CC Network too much yet... is it newer? | 18:58 |
| Bovinity | (it's also long, quite long) | 18:58 |
| mecredis | hahah | 18:58 |
| Bovinity | (i'd recommend making it less long ;) | 18:58 |
| mecredis | I can tell | 18:59 |
| mecredis | I agree | 18:59 |
| mecredis | I think I just copied and pasted it | 18:59 |
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| mecredis | I have edit privs, can I do it? | 18:59 |
| Bovinity | go ahead | 18:59 |
| mecredis | nice, will get to it later today | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | mecredis: so CC Network is kind of like an fsf-associate membership-esque setup, but with some cc-media related social networking? | 19:00 |
| mecredis | paroneayea: basically, yes | 19:00 |
| Bovinity | paroneayea: will need a bio and photo from you, as i'm sure you'll be told soon | 19:00 |
| mecredis | but I'm working on building some more more interesting features | 19:00 |
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| paroneayea | cool | 19:00 |
| mecredis | well JED3 is building them | 19:00 |
| mecredis | I'm doing the hand waving | 19:00 |
| mecredis | http://labs.creativecommons.org/~fred/profile_donate.html is currently in dev | 19:00 |
| mecredis | http://labs.creativecommons.org/~fred/citation_example.html is more long term | 19:01 |
| paroneayea | neat | 19:01 |
| mecredis | yeah, should be interesting | 19:01 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Would you rather be cwebber? | 19:25 |
| nkinkade | It's easy enough to blast the other account and recreate. | 19:26 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: It would be nice for consistency, but it doesn't matter too much :) | 19:27 |
| paroneayea | so, sure | 19:28 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I'll change it now. I'm nkinkade@, and that was mostly for consistency as well. And nathany had already taken nathan@. | 19:28 |
| nathany | bwahaha! i am nathan #1! bwahahaha! | 19:28 |
| nkinkade | I didn't get to CC soon enough to be <firstname>@, which means my cool factor is less. | 19:28 |
| paroneayea | hm | 19:29 |
| nathany | lol | 19:29 |
| paroneayea | I guess it decreases my cool factor to use cwebber | 19:29 |
| nathany | mike was here before me and he's ml | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, you could be cw@. | 19:29 |
| nathany | there is no consistency here | 19:29 |
| paroneayea | but I'll use cwebber anyway :) | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | Hell, you should just be c@. | 19:29 |
| paroneayea | ha | 19:29 |
| nathany | yeah, let's not be crazy | 19:29 |
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| nkinkade | cwebber it is ... | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | One moment. | 19:29 |
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| JED3 | I pridefully own john@ | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | pridefully? | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | did you know you can use unicode characters in XMPP JIDs? So in the Jabber world you can be ☺@example.org | 19:31 |
| nathany | lol | 19:32 |
| nathany | paulproteus would love that | 19:32 |
| akozak | linebreak! | 19:32 |
| nkinkade | haha | 19:32 |
| JED3 | haha snowman | 19:32 |
| * paulproteus blinks | 19:33 | |
| paulproteus | Oh my goodness! | 19:33 |
| nathany | i guess this is initial proof we chose the right engineer -- he knows about unicode smileys ;) | 19:33 |
| akozak | paroneayea is our new engineer? | 19:33 |
| akozak | welcome! | 19:34 |
| nathany | yes | 19:34 |
| paroneayea | akozak: hello! thx :) | 19:34 |
| akozak | a/s/l? | 19:34 |
| akozak | jk | 19:34 |
| paroneayea | JED3: http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ | 19:34 |
| akozak | I'm alex, I work in SF at ccLearn | 19:34 |
| paroneayea | akozak: 24/m/messy chicago apartment | 19:35 |
| akozak | paroneayea: awesome, glad you're on board. | 19:35 |
| paulproteus | Welcome paroneayea! | 19:36 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: thx! | 19:36 |
| * paroneayea fills out a table in ccommons.org so he can remember who is who | 19:37 | |
| paroneayea | er, that's an emacs orgmode file, not a domain name :P | 19:37 |
| akozak | paroneayea: its all in the wiki :) | 19:38 |
| paroneayea | oh, aha :) | 19:38 |
| nathany | paroneayea: http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/ContactInfo (although org-mode is almost certainly more useful to you for IRC related stuff) | 19:40 |
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| Bovinity | http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-instead-of-the-tuesday-noon-siren | 19:43 |
| Bovinity | i +1 final countdown instead of the boring siren. | 19:44 |
| JED3 | hahaha i was just going to upvote that | 19:44 |
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| akozak | haha | 19:45 |
| nathany | nkinkade: is christopher set up as cwebber? | 19:45 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah. | 19:45 |
| nathany | thanks | 19:45 |
| ring | hi | 19:45 |
| nathany | hi ring | 19:46 |
| ring | what this does? : (client+x)->name = "Charly"; | 19:47 |
| nathany | ring: this is the Creative Commons channel, not the C Compiler channel; sorry | 19:47 |
| ring | ops | 19:47 |
| ring | sorry | 19:48 |
| nathany | looks like it takes a variable and an offset, then dereferences the member of the struct, though :) | 19:48 |
| nathany | no problem | 19:48 |
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| Bovinity | nathany: does the actual android phone boot up with the cylon light bar, or is that just the emulator? | 19:56 |
| nathany | Bovinity: probably the emulator | 19:57 |
| nathany | it'd be awesome though | 19:57 |
| Bovinity | aw | 19:57 |
| * paroneayea has a neo 1973 he never uses, is debating getting a g1 | 19:58 | |
| nathany | paroneayea: wait for gen2 hardware (or buy used) | 19:58 |
| nathany | i like the software but it's a little clunky | 19:59 |
| Bovinity | the new mytouch comes out soon | 19:59 |
| nathany | although if you used the 1973, i guess it'd look like modern to you ;) | 19:59 |
| JED3 | what do you guys think about the htc hero? | 19:59 |
| paroneayea | nathany: heh, yeah... the reason I never use the 1973 is because I had to keep updating alsa states and stuff. Everything packaged in debian is for the freerunner :( | 19:59 |
| akozak | JED3: do want | 20:00 |
| paroneayea | I'm really not that interested in android though. I really actually liked the freesmartphone.org framework | 20:00 |
| paulproteus | Wow, I really should hang out with paroneayea. | 20:00 |
| Bovinity | apparently while the hero has flash support, it sucks in actual use. which isn't surprising given flash. | 20:00 |
| paroneayea | from like, a developer's point of view. At least it used common free software components | 20:00 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, tty y'all in a bit. | 20:00 |
| akozak | paulproteus: I want to hear about your work! | 20:00 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: later | 20:00 |
| akozak | but later | 20:00 |
| akozak | (i mean but later as in but goodbye) | 20:01 |
| paroneayea | I appreciate that android is (mostly) free software, but it agitates me that all these systems keep inventing their own universes of components | 20:01 |
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| paroneayea | that said, I just want a hackable phone sometime in the future. | 20:02 |
| paroneayea | nathany: any idea when gen 2 might come out? | 20:02 |
| Bovinity | early august | 20:03 |
| paroneayea | oh whoa. That's worth waiting for then. | 20:04 |
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| akozak | Has anyone gotten a google voice invite yet? | 20:06 |
| JED3 | akozak: yes, mecredis has too i believe | 20:07 |
| mecredis | yeah | 20:07 |
| akozak | Yea but mecredis didn't you email someone? | 20:07 |
| mecredis | I just signed up for their page | 20:07 |
| akozak | hmm | 20:07 |
| mecredis | and it came eventually | 20:07 |
| JED3 | I was a grandcentral user and was grandfathered in | 20:07 |
| mecredis | nice | 20:08 |
| Bovinity | is there a GV app for android? | 20:08 |
| akozak | you get cred points | 20:08 |
| akozak | Bovinity: I believe there is. | 20:08 |
| akozak | i haven't seen it though | 20:08 |
| JED3 | now I just need a "cool" phone | 20:08 |
| Bovinity | the iphone drama is making me consider jumping ship... | 20:08 |
| Bovinity | dev kits and all | 20:08 |
| akozak | nice | 20:10 |
| mecredis | Bovinity: yes, its getting ridiculous | 20:10 |
| akozak | mecredis: how do you rate google voice so far? | 20:12 |
| mecredis | its got some issues | 20:12 |
| mecredis | namely not remembering to use my custom outgoing Vmail | 20:12 |
| mecredis | so it just is generic "Google Voice" lady | 20:13 |
| akozak | weird | 20:13 |
| mecredis | yeah, and its been sending me duplicate voicemail transcriptions | 20:13 |
| mecredis | which is a little annoying | 20:13 |
| akozak | do you get a lot of voicemail? because I don't, but that seems like one of the main features. | 20:14 |
| mecredis | no I don't | 20:15 |
| mecredis | and that is definitely the best part | 20:15 |
| mecredis | the annoying thing about using as your main vmail is that you have to be constantly in DnD mode in GV | 20:15 |
| mecredis | which means it never routes calls through your number to your cell | 20:15 |
| mecredis | just straight to voicemail if they call your GV # | 20:15 |
| akozak | hmm yea, that's a tough issue to solve though since it doesn't seem trivial to have the phone redirect back to gv for vmail | 20:17 |
| akozak | unless you're using a gv app or something | 20:17 |
| mecredis | riight | 20:17 |
| mecredis | because it rquires convincing the provider | 20:17 |
| mecredis | I tried setting that up but you get into this weird circular forwarding problem | 20:17 |
| akozak | itd be awesome to send people calling me into an endless loop | 20:18 |
| mecredis | one of my favorite digital artists & friends: | 20:20 |
| mecredis | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/19/permanent-vacation-t.html | 20:20 |
| mecredis | akozak: ^^ | 20:20 |
| akozak | that's great! | 20:21 |
| akozak | vaguely reminds me of something at the sfmoma where a dotmatrix printer was printing out the ap news feed into a huge pile on the floor | 20:23 |
| mecredis | sounds like grounds... heh.. for a lawsuit | 20:23 |
| Bovinity | i hope nobody told the AP about that | 20:23 |
| akozak | it's probably fair use :P | 20:23 |
| akozak | not totally sure it was ap though | 20:24 |
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| akozak | opened will be ";aunche" any minute now | 20:38 |
| akozak | err | 20:38 |
| akozak | "launched" | 20:38 |
| akozak | ok opened was launched! | 20:39 |
| akozak | thanks nathany and nkinkade and Bovinity and JED3 and mom and dad | 20:39 |
| akozak | and paulproteus! how could I forget | 20:40 |
| Bovinity | hrm | 20:41 |
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| paulproteus | akozak, Yay! (-: | 20:47 |
| paulproteus | Hey Bovinity, I have an OpenEd design-related question for you. | 20:47 |
| paulproteus | In the top of view-source:http://opened.creativecommons.org/Find_OER we do: <script type="text/javascript" src="/skins/ahab/js_css.js"></script> | 20:48 |
| paulproteus | Here's the reasoning: Sometimes you want elements to be invisible if the user has JS. | 20:48 |
| paulproteus | You want them to be invisible at page load time to avoid flicker. | 20:48 |
| paulproteus | So I gave them a class, "invisible_if_js", and view-source:http://opened.creativecommons.org/skins/ahab/js_css.js creates a CSS style for that class. | 20:49 |
| paulproteus | I came up with this hack myself, but is there some other standard way to do that? | 20:49 |
| akozak | paulproteus: you did that? did you do beforeload.js too? | 20:49 |
| paulproteus | beforeload.js iirc is part of the White Whale design. | 20:50 |
| akozak | ok | 20:51 |
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| Bovinity | paulproteus: i'd rather have a .hide_me class with standard defs; and have the js just assign that class to whatever objects require it | 21:19 |
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| akozak | paroneayea: did you go to ovc? | 21:48 |
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| akozak | Bovinity or nkinkade, can I get an account on the main cc wp? | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Do you not already have one? | 21:58 |
| akozak | I need to blog... | 21:58 |
| akozak | nkinkade: My usual username p/w combos arent working | 21:59 |
| akozak | I don't think I ever got one... | 21:59 |
| akozak | let me double check | 21:59 |
| paroneayea | akozak: no, unfortunately :\ | 21:59 |
| paroneayea | I had just gotten back from my wedding, couldn't make it | 21:59 |
| akozak | paroneayea: ah, I met a lot of PCF folk there. | 21:59 |
| akozak | and I was just in portugal for a week with nick | 21:59 |
| paroneayea | oh neat! | 22:00 |
| akozak | nkinkade: got the email, thanks. did I already have an account? | 22:01 |
| akozak | or was it Bovinity | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Sorry, no you didn't already have an account. | 22:01 |
| akozak | hm, something went wrong. | 22:02 |
| akozak | I got a varnish error trying to change my pw and now I can't login with either pw. | 22:02 |
| akozak | nkinkade: ^^ | 22:03 |
| nkinkade | akozak I just set the password to the same thing I PIMed you a minute ago. | 22:05 |
| akozak | ok thanks | 22:05 |
| akozak | nkinkade: getting 503 errors fro mvarnish trying to change my pw | 22:06 |
| akozak | from varnish* | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Are you able to login at all? | 22:07 |
| akozak | nkinkade: Yes, until I try to change the pw... then after the error I can't. | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Not sure what's up with that, but it does seem to be changing the password nevertheless. | 22:10 |
| akozak | nkinkade: It's changing it, but I can't login with the new password for some reason. | 22:10 |
| nkinkade | I'm able to change your passwd and login with the new password, but I'm also getting the 503 error. | 22:11 |
| akozak | And if you try to login with the new password it shouldn't work. | 22:12 |
| akozak | (or won't) | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | It does work for me. I get the 503 error, but then I just hit the back button and am able to login with the new password. But something is clearly not right overall. | 22:14 |
| akozak | hmm weird | 22:14 |
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| nkinkade | akozak: Try it now. | 22:17 |
| akozak | ok | 22:17 |
| akozak | nkinkade: It worked, but this time I hit back after the error | 22:20 |
| akozak | and then logged out | 22:20 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I was hoping the 503 would have gone away. It did for me. | 22:21 |
| nkinkade | Can you clear your cache and cookies for creativecommons.org? | 22:21 |
| akozak | ok | 22:21 |
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| akozak | nkinkade: do you want me to try and change my password again> | 22:27 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Not really, but you probably should. :-) | 22:27 |
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| nkinkade | I want that error to just go away on it's own. | 22:27 |
| nkinkade | I've already made a Varnish config change, but I don't understand why it was necessary. | 22:28 |
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| pyrak | anyone else on SF-LUG? | 22:50 |
| pyrak | this is great! | 22:50 |
| pyrak | (i'm talking mailing list, not irc) | 22:50 |
| akozak | Bovinity: when I commit a change to the ccLearn trunk, is that what staging runs off of, and then you will push it to production when it's finished? | 22:55 |
| Bovinity | akozak: right | 22:55 |
| akozak | ok cool | 22:55 |
| pyrak | akozak, but you probably need to up from the staging checkout | 22:56 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Are you still having issues with WP and Varnish? | 22:56 |
| akozak | nkinkade: Oops, let me try really quick. In a meeting. | 22:57 |
| akozak | nkinkade: Yes. | 22:57 |
| akozak | And I cleared my cache and cookies | 22:57 |
| nkinkade | Let's look at it later then. | 22:57 |
| akozak | pyrak: not sure what you mean. | 23:00 |
| akozak | is there a separate staging checkout? | 23:00 |
| akozak | I thought staging ran off trunk. | 23:00 |
| akozak | Bovinity: ? ^^ | 23:01 |
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| Bovinity | akozak: staging runs off trunk, yes | 23:02 |
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| pyrak | sry, what i mean is (and perhaps this is review): | 23:03 |
| pyrak | the process for making changes that you can see: | 23:03 |
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| pyrak | svn commit on your local machine, ssh into staging machine, svn update on staging machine | 23:03 |
| Bovinity | ^^ yes | 23:03 |
| pyrak | (replace svn with git, if you like) | 23:03 |
| akozak | aye | 23:04 |
| Bovinity | akozak: so are you asking for an svn up on learn-staging? | 23:04 |
| akozak | Bovinity: no, I haven't made any changes yet. | 23:04 |
| Bovinity | k | 23:04 |
| akozak | Just wanted to make sure the changes would be made to staging first. | 23:04 |
| akozak | thanks for the reminder though pyrak :) | 23:08 |
| pyrak | akozak, any time :P | 23:09 |
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| akozak | nkinkade: Any thoughts re: installing Kaltura CE on OpenEd? | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | What is Kaltura, and when did I remove it? | 23:37 |
| akozak | heh, not re-installing | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | On re: installing, not re-instaling. | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 23:37 |
| akozak | Kaltura is the platform wikipedia will soon implement for video | 23:37 |
| akozak | allows online editing/remix | 23:38 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Have you brought up Kaltura with me before? | 23:39 |
| akozak | nkinkade: I don't think so. | 23:39 |
| akozak | We're just talking about it in our meeting. | 23:40 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I suppose that's up to you and Arhash, right? | 23:40 |
| nkinkade | You've got write access to the git repository for the theme and also a login on a7. | 23:40 |
| akozak | Well, I was mostly wondering about if you thought it would cause load issues. | 23:40 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Is it known to load a machine heavily? | 23:42 |
| nkinkade | I doubt it would be an issue. | 23:42 |
| akozak | nkinkade: Ok cool, I might test it out then. | 23:43 |
| akozak | eventuallyt | 23:43 |
| nkinkade | I doubt we'd ever be serving up thousands of videos a minute, so load shouldn't be an issue. | 23:44 |
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