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| nkinkade | nathany: I'm thinking about holding off on the wiki upgrade because of this Case Studies launch today. | 16:15 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: ok... i'm torn -- on one hand it'd be nice to have the preview bug fixed, but i understand | 16:16 |
| nkinkade | I think Mike said there was going to be a banner on the front page, and so since it'll be advertised like that it seems unwise to risk downtime for something important. | 16:16 |
| nkinkade | However, I could probably just knock out the upgrade early and then be done with it ... if there's a problem, then I could just fall back on the old install. | 16:16 |
| nkinkade | Maybe that's worth trying, and no harm in trying as long as we can safely fall back. | 16:17 |
| nathany | yeah, it'd be nice to have editing look good, ya know? | 16:17 |
| nathany | i can ping mike and see when the banner is supposed to go up | 16:17 |
| nkinkade | Okay, I take that back. I'll try to upgrade here in few minute. | 16:17 |
| nathany | lol | 16:17 |
| nathany | ok | 16:17 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, let me know what Mike says. | 16:18 |
| nathany | yeah, let's just make a copy of the deployment directory and dump the database | 16:18 |
| nathany | so we can roll back if needed | 16:18 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: the banner goes up sometime after 5pm PDT | 16:21 |
| nathany | we have time | 16:21 |
| nkinkade | Oh, yeah, that's plenty of time. | 16:21 |
| nathany | we can screw it up TWICE before then! | 16:22 |
| nathany | ;) | 16:22 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: have you looked at the wiki image floating/flowing issue michelle brought up? | 16:53 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: if not, i'll take a look... might just be a theme issue. | 16:53 |
| Bovinity | or she's doin it wrong | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Not yet. | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | Right now I'm going to upgrade the wiki to MW 1.14. | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | I figure we can just see what the fall-out of the upgrade is, then react accordingly. It may even fix some unexpected things. | 16:55 |
| Bovinity | greg-g: are you on getting those casestudies query pages working? | 16:59 |
| greg-g | Bovinity: I can make the pages that embed the search query, yeah | 17:58 |
| greg-g | Bovinity: did you have a preference and the naming scheme for those pages? piddly question. | 18:06 |
| greg-g | s/and/on/ | 18:07 |
| Bovinity | as mentioned in the email.. Case_Studies/PAGE_NAME/ | 18:07 |
| Bovinity | er, no trailing slash | 18:07 |
| greg-g | right, I guess I missed that, thanks | 18:08 |
| Bovinity | the theme handles page titling correctly now | 18:10 |
| Bovinity | so no retarded path structure page names any more | 18:10 |
| greg-g | yeah, I saw that on a test page I tried, looked good | 18:10 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: nathany: The cc5 wiki theme is in subversion, but we're migrating the wiki to git. | 18:26 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i considered adding cc5 to our git repo, but you were on vacation at the time, decided to leave it in svn | 18:28 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: it's be really nice to just add it to the wiki as a git submodule. | 18:28 |
| nkinkade | How much relies on the subversion checkout right now? | 18:28 |
| Bovinity | cc4 and cc5 in wiki.cc/www/skins are both svn checkouts | 18:29 |
| nkinkade | How would you feel about moving the cc5 theme to git and from here forward making updates to the git repository instead of svn? | 18:29 |
| Bovinity | absolutely, and entirely, happy with that idea | 18:29 |
| Bovinity | i'm also for doing the same thing with wordpress | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | I think this is one of those cases where we can easily get away with that, since we are probably the only ones using the cc5 theme. | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Is this something you can do right now, or should I do it? | 18:31 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i'll let you do that | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Any particular name/location in git? | 18:33 |
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| nkinkade | Is now the time to just name it something like cc_wiki_theme.git, and new versions will just be a different branch? | 18:35 |
| Bovinity | that's what i was thinking | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | (rather than continuing to interate over numbers. | 18:35 |
| Bovinity | or we make a central themes module? | 18:35 |
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| Bovinity | hmm.. disregard that. seperate modules better. | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | I'll make a themes/ directory, and call it cc_wiki.git | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | Like we've done with mw-ext/ | 18:37 |
| Bovinity | so code.cc.org:themes/cc_wiki.git ? | 18:37 |
| nkinkade | That could work. | 18:38 |
| Bovinity | is that what you meant? | 18:38 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, that's what I meant. | 18:49 |
| nkinkade | Does that work for you, Bovinity? | 18:49 |
| Bovinity | yes | 18:49 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Is /themes/ccwiki/branches/production/ = cc5? | 18:51 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: yes | 18:51 |
| Bovinity | cwiki/branches/production/cc5 | 18:52 |
| Bovinity | '</pedantry>... back to making things not look awful. | 18:52 |
| Bovinity | tables for layout.. what year is it again? | 18:54 |
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| Bovinity | nathany: michelle> wow, looks a lot better without the awful yellow info boxes | 19:35 |
| nathany | awesome | 19:35 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: you're probably aware... http://wiki.creativecommons.org/index.php?title=RDFa&action=history | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: The upgrade is in progress. | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | update.php is running. | 20:27 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: thought so :) | 20:27 |
| nkinkade | Not much I can do about the speed of that script. :-) | 20:27 |
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| nkinkade | Uh. Monobook! | 20:30 |
| Bovinity | we're classy | 20:30 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Can you help me figure out why monobook is showing up? | 20:31 |
| Bovinity | cc5 isn't in skins | 20:32 |
| Bovinity | or is that what cc is? | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | I renamed it to cc, I think. | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | I wanted to genericize the name, so that we don't have to go around renaming classes and configs, etc. | 20:33 |
| Bovinity | a: LocalSettings.php probably still has cc5 as default; b: all users will need their skin setting updated | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | Upgrading to a new theme will simply be a matter of checking out a new branch. | 20:33 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 20:33 |
| Bovinity | a good move :) | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | I set wgDefaultSkin = "cc" before. | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | But maybe like you say it'll have to be upgraded for each user??? | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | Do you know how to do that quickly? | 20:34 |
| Bovinity | there's a maintenance script that'll do it quickly | 20:34 |
| mecredis | johndoigiii: thanks for fixing that typo | 20:34 |
| mecredis | heh | 20:34 |
| johndoigiii | np :) | 20:34 |
| nkinkade | If you happen to know which one and how to run it, I'd be much obliged. Otherwise I'll look around for it. | 20:35 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i've got it running, but fyi: www/maintenance$ php userOptions.php skin --old cc5 --new cc | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | Thanks! | 20:36 |
| nkinkade | But you know I like the fullscreen layout of monobook. ;-) | 20:36 |
| Bovinity | if it isn't, it should be available as a user preference available skin | 20:36 |
| nkinkade | Oooo. userOptions.php to the rescue. That worked. | 20:37 |
| Bovinity | we have sooo many users. | 20:37 |
| mecredis | just think of the users | 20:38 |
| mecredis | for the love of god think of the users | 20:38 |
| Bovinity | most of which don't have a skin preference set | 20:38 |
| Bovinity | Not changing 'Buy Tramadol Online' using <skin> = '' | 20:39 |
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| haoyu | hmm, does CC has a style guide, unified theme, or similiar thing? | 20:40 |
| Bovinity | seriously, most of these people are spam accounts | 20:40 |
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| haoyu | I mean, a style guide for all CC projects? | 20:40 |
| Bovinity | haoyu: there are recommendations in various places; and all our theme files are avaliable for reuse | 20:41 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Do you have a few things you could do on the CC wiki to make sure that critical aspects of SMW are working as expected? | 20:41 |
| nathany | nkinkade: sure | 20:41 |
| haoyu | nkinkade, do you think it is a good idea to apply the same skin as CC wiki on CC monitor? | 20:42 |
| nathany | nkinkade: it doesn't look like SMW is working... i wonder if we need to run the data refresh script | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | haoyu: I guess that's something that would be up to you guys, right? I'm not opposed to it, but at the very least some color changes might be useful. | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I did Special:SMWAdmin -> Initialise or update data | 20:43 |
| nathany | nkinkade: hrm | 20:43 |
| nkinkade | Does something else need to be run? | 20:43 |
| nathany | oh, right | 20:43 |
| nkinkade | Sorry, "Initialise or upgrade data" | 20:43 |
| nathany | tables, right? | 20:43 |
| nkinkade | I think that's what it did? | 20:43 |
| nathany | the "Start updating data" is the one that refreshes all the indexes -- i'll run now | 20:43 |
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| nkinkade | I seemed to run successfully. | 20:43 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yeah, the upgrade would but if you have lots of existing data like we do the update is the second half | 20:44 |
| haoyu | I just want to know is there any convention about skin/page style and color theme? And I think reuse the same skin can make things easier since the cc wiki skin is carefully designed and tested. | 20:45 |
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| nkinkade | haoyu: That is something you'd want to discuss in an email with Giorgos, Bovinity, nathany and Mike. I have this sense that there is a desire to make sure each web property looks distinct enough so that people don't get confused, yet similar enough so that there is cohesion. | 20:47 |
| haoyu | okey. so I'll leave Girogos to make decision about this. thanks nkinkade | 20:48 |
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| mlinksva | nkinkade, Bovinity edit and recent changes links seem to have disappeared from the cc wiki. related to upgrade and/or style changes? | 20:53 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Surely related to upgrade of 10 minutes ago. | 20:53 |
| nathany | mlinksva: they show up for me | 20:53 |
| Bovinity | i see them now, after a reload | 20:53 |
| nkinkade | The problem was that I had the permission set wrong ... should be fixed now. | 20:54 |
| nkinkade | I was still doing something with emailconfirmed. | 20:54 |
| mlinksva | ok, upon reload i see them | 20:55 |
| mlinksva | well, edit | 20:55 |
| mlinksva | i still don't see recent changes | 20:55 |
| nkinkade | nathany: It would appear that this upgrade fixed the Fact Box repeat issue. | 20:55 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yup | 20:55 |
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| mlinksva | that's awesome | 20:57 |
| mlinksva | or rather the repeatig fact box really sucked :) | 20:57 |
| nathany | right | 20:58 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: On the toolbar, shouldn't there be 3 rows when logged in? | 20:59 |
| nkinkade | On my screen the little page icon and house icon are showing up on the same line. | 20:59 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: it depends on how many items are in a toolbox.. if there's an Edit With Form on the page tools, it'll wrap User down | 21:00 |
| nkinkade | Ah. | 21:00 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: space between the toolbox nav and the page title is pre-compensated | 21:00 |
| mlinksva | i thik there's a probelm with external images not loading anymore | 21:00 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Any idea about the "Related Changes" or "Recent Changes" links being gone? | 21:00 |
| mlinksva | eg http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ the language bubble | 21:00 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Thanks for checking these things. | 21:00 |
| nkinkade | I'll make sure external images are enabled. | 21:01 |
| mlinksva | (tho i'm not sure why that's specified as an external iamge) | 21:01 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: btw, i copied the images directory from the backup into the live www; it had been missed | 21:01 |
| nathany | it does look like we had some old <ask> queries lying around | 21:03 |
| nathany | those aren't supported anymore so we'll have to fix as we find them | 21:03 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: You just copied in the entire old images directory? | 21:03 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: yes, references in the DB hadn't changed | 21:04 |
| nkinkade | It's owned by nkinkade. | 21:04 |
| nkinkade | Did you do that on purpose? | 21:04 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: unintentionally | 21:04 |
| nkinkade | So as mlinksva says, some images aren't showing up, on the FAQ page in the translation box, we just get a URL. | 21:05 |
| nkinkade | The image is there, so it must be something about this new version of MW. | 21:06 |
| nathany | Bovinity: the most recently edited case studies seems to be the only SMW query not working | 21:10 |
| nathany | probably because it relies on Semantic Edit Time | 21:10 |
| nathany | (our extension which is... sub-optimal) | 21:10 |
| Bovinity | ah | 21:10 |
| Bovinity | great | 21:10 |
| nathany | i suggest we just kill that for the time being since refreshing that data will be a massive pain in the ass | 21:11 |
| nathany | mlinksva may have a different opinion (on killing that) | 21:11 |
| Bovinity | i'd say at least replace it with a default query | 21:11 |
| nathany | well, whatever | 21:11 |
| mlinksva | nathany, i'm not sure what you're talkig abou tkilling | 21:12 |
| nathany | the "most recently edited case studies" on the case studies page | 21:13 |
| mlinksva | most recently edited case studies | 21:13 |
| mlinksva | ok | 21:13 |
| nathany | the list of them | 21:13 |
| nathany | the query relies on edit time data | 21:13 |
| nathany | unlike the rest of SMW information, that can't be "refreshed" using the built in mechaism (our extension injects it at save time) | 21:14 |
| mlinksva | presentation lists also don't work http://wiki.creativecommons.org/User:Mike_Linksvayer | 21:15 |
| mlinksva | The date "*" was not understood. | 21:15 |
| nathany | mlinksva: ah; that's a query with old syntax | 21:16 |
| nathany | (editing) | 21:16 |
| nathany | mlinksva: fixed | 21:17 |
| mlinksva | ok, i'm fine wtih not having recently edited case studies | 21:18 |
| nathany | mlinksva: btw, our google juice is insane | 21:18 |
| mlinksva | after a few have been edited post-upgrade, it would work again? | 21:18 |
| nathany | i'm looking for refs for this spec and googling for "powder iriset" has our commit log as the first message | 21:18 |
| paulproteus | "Minimum estimate" of 250 million inbound links | 21:18 |
| nathany | mlinksva: yes | 21:18 |
| paulproteus | I mean, CC-licensed works | 21:18 |
| nathany | mlinksva: and before the actual POWDER spec is our Commoner documentation | 21:18 |
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| mlinksva | nathany, probably as it should be in that case | 21:19 |
| nathany | :) | 21:19 |
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| mlinksva | fwiw i just got | 21:30 |
| mlinksva | A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: | 21:30 |
| mlinksva | (SQL query hidden) | 21:30 |
| mlinksva | from within function "". MySQL returned error "1205: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (localhost)". | 21:30 |
| mlinksva | and the wiki seems generally very slow | 21:31 |
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| mlinksva | re external images seems there was a feature in use that if linktext for an external url references an exteral image url, the image is redered instead of the url as linktext, which is happening now | 21:33 |
| mlinksva | eg | 21:33 |
| mlinksva | [http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcWiki:Translate http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/b/b5/Languages.png] | 21:33 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Right. setting wgEnableExternalImages to true fixes the problem, but I'm not sure why it regards that URL as external. | 21:35 |
| nkinkade | wgAllowExternalImages, that is. | 21:36 |
| mlinksva | amybe s/external/fully specified/ | 21:36 |
| mlinksva | anyhow if that fixes it please do set wgAllowExternalImages to true, nkinkade | 21:37 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Have you seen multiple places where images are not showing up? | 21:38 |
| nkinkade | If so, then in the meantime we might enable external images. If not, then I'd rather enter an address that it recognizes as local. | 21:39 |
| nkinkade | Unless you generally just want to have external images allow in any case. | 21:39 |
| mlinksva | FAQ and footer of case studies | 21:40 |
| mlinksva | actually anyplace the translation template is used (eg FAQ) | 21:40 |
| mlinksva | see bottom of http://wiki.creativecommons.org/User:Michelle_Thorne/DevCasestudies | 21:40 |
| mlinksva | let's allow external images | 21:41 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade, this facility also seems to be used in case study template | 21:55 |
| mlinksva | see eg http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Blender_Foundation | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: I configured the wiki to allow external imagse. | 21:56 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade, thanks that fixed all i noted | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | I feel like that was a workaround instead of a fix, though. | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | But maybe we want to allow external images anyway? In any case, I guess we should be extra aware of spam in the form of images. | 21:58 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade, the bigger problem is people uploading images that are spammish | 22:01 |
| mlinksva | (ie non-external images) | 22:01 |
| mlinksva | but you're right that syntax feels like a hack | 22:02 |
| mlinksva | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images_linking_to_articles | 22:02 |
| mlinksva | should use that (link=) for images hosted on cc wiki | 22:02 |
| mlinksva | the imagemap thing is pretty ugly for external links though | 22:03 |
| mlinksva | Bovinity, nkinkade i still don't see recent changes link fwiw | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | I now see a "Related Changes" link. | 22:06 |
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| mlinksva | nkinkade, that's always been there | 22:10 |
| Bovinity | the page works, no idea why it isnt' appearing in the toolbox | 22:11 |
| Bovinity | hm, i love how querying google about random sorting Semantic MW queries brings up an email from Asheesh regarding random sorting CC Case Studies... | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I just peeked in the nav_urls array of $this->data and don't even see a link to Recent Changes. | 22:21 |
| nkinkade | You can see it on wiki-staging, it dumps to the screen. | 22:21 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Where would you like for the recent changes link to show up. | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | I'm just going to have to mostly manually add it. | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: The only place in all of $this->data that I see "Recent changes" is in $this->data['sidebar']['wiki navigation'] | 22:46 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade, i guess in the second row of wiki links | 22:50 |
| mlinksva | nah, third | 22:50 |
| mlinksva | before special pages | 22:50 |
| mlinksva | oanother thing, i just crated a case study with the form | 22:53 |
| mlinksva | and it didn't get added with 'Case Studies/' prefix | 22:53 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: err, failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/wiki.creativecommons.org/www/includes/Skin.php on line 139 | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Fixed. | 23:29 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: fixed in what way? | 23:29 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: monobook makes an ugly return | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | gone | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | I was just trying to switch the live site to the branch called cc5 | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | I'll save it for another day. | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: The Case_Study page changed on staging. | 23:36 |
| nkinkade | Did you copy it in from somewhere else? | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | The lines to make it create subpages for case studies went away. | 23:37 |
| Bovinity | i don't recall changing it | 23:40 |
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| nkinkade | mlinksva: sub pages for Case Studies should be working again. | 23:42 |
| nkinkade | It was only ever implemented on wiki-staging, but not it's on the live site too. | 23:43 |
| mlinksva | thx! | 23:44 |
| Bovinity | are current case studies going to migrate to /Case_Studies/NAME... or is that what you're talking about? | 23:44 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: New case studies will be as you say ... I never found out what people wanted to do about the old ones. | 23:59 |
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