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| paulproteus | Bovinity, Yeah, turns out there's more than one such room. The couch room. (-: | 00:18 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade1, so now that we have MySQL passwords, how can I create databases? | 00:18 |
| nkinkade1 | paulproteus: I think I sent an email to you with the password. | 00:19 |
| paulproteus | Oh, pardon me for not noting it. | 00:20 |
| paulproteus | Thanks, I have it now. | 00:20 |
| nkinkade1 | Maybe I didn't send an email and just thought I did?? | 00:20 |
| nkinkade1 | That's certainly possible. :-) | 00:20 |
| paulproteus | What I do on my servers is keep the MySQL file in a mode 0400 file in /root/mysql-root-password. | 00:21 |
| paulproteus | So I basically have finger-memory for "mysql -uroot -p$(cat /root/mysql-root-password)". | 00:21 |
| paulproteus | (And I keep it set to random trash generated by pwgen.) | 00:22 |
| paulproteus | Actually four or five pwgen passwords catted together, 'cause why not. | 00:22 |
| nkinkade1 | I realized recently that I couldn't tell someone on of the passwords I use frequently. I've become so accustomed to typing it (finger-memory) that I don't even know it anymore. | 00:24 |
| nkinkade1 | I only half-consciously know it, and the rest is just muscle memory. | 00:24 |
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| nkinkade1 | Probably a good sign that I need to change it. | 00:24 |
| nkinkade1 | Honestly. There have been a few times I needed to know it and I had to type in a terminal to actually reveal to myself what it was. | 00:25 |
| nkinkade1 | I'm hit by the GSM buzz on my Freerunner, Openmoko is moribund, and I have no hope for this device whatsoever. | 00:26 |
| paulproteus | It's interesting; I don't think I had the GSM buzz on mine. | 00:28 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, if I had a few hundred dollars spare, I'd buy you an Android Developer Phone as a consolation prize. | 00:29 |
| nkinkade1 | Thanks, but http://donewith.info | 00:32 |
| nkinkade1 | ;-) | 00:32 |
| nkinkade1 | I've got an old Nokia 1108 (http://www.fonearena.com/nokia-1108_40.html) that I bought for $30 in Panama and I have thoughts of just reverting to that phone. | 00:34 |
| paulproteus | Okay, cool. | 00:34 |
| nkinkade1 | It's small, light and works like a charm. | 00:34 |
| paulproteus | Having maps with me as I walk somewhere and forgot to remember how to get there has been very helpful to me. | 00:34 |
| paulproteus | Your Nokia 1108 looks nice, too. | 00:35 |
| nkinkade1 | Radical Simplicity. | 00:35 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 00:35 |
| nkinkade1 | (not really, but in the tech world, yes) | 00:35 |
| paulproteus | Sweet! From the page you linked: "Gamesyes,2 - Snake II and Space Impact+" | 00:36 |
| paulproteus | I don't know that I have any games on my G1. | 00:36 |
| paulproteus | OpenMoko isn't quite moribund. | 00:39 |
| nkinkade1 | Those are the only 2 preinstalled games. | 00:39 |
| paulproteus | It is going out of the consumer device market, as I understand things, but will try to focus on other markets. | 00:39 |
| paulproteus | Having said that, yeah, it's probably moribund. | 00:39 |
| * paulproteus ducks | 00:39 | |
| nkinkade1 | Well, moribund was a strong word, but I feel that it's probably accurate. | 00:41 |
| nkinkade1 | Hopefully they'll pull through, but I doubt it. | 00:42 |
| clsmith | It's sad... Android is good, but .. you need to jailbreak it? Really? :/ | 00:42 |
| nkinkade1 | The Freerunner is a pretty cool device, but it's just a day late and dollar short, sadly. | 00:43 |
| nkinkade1 | Even if you took away the GSM buzz and the horrifying fact that charging only works when the OS is booted, it's still outdated in many ways. | 00:43 |
| paulproteus | clsmith, "Just buy an Android Developer Phone and you don't have that problem." | 00:45 |
| clsmith | paulproteus: And then you can't buy apps from the Market, am I right? | 00:45 |
| paulproteus | False. You can buy any app that doesn't have the DRM flag enabled. Almost no apps have the DRM flag enabled. | 00:46 |
| paulproteus | Also, if you just install a third-party OS rebuild, you can buy any app you want (since they package the G1 version of the Market program). | 00:46 |
| clsmith | paulproteus: Hmm.. Possible, then. | 00:47 |
| clsmith | paulproteus: I've been considering a G1 for a while now. | 00:47 |
| nkinkade1 | However, Michael Lauer says that Android is not the The Way forward for open mobile. I suppose it's arguable, and maybe he's biased with his Open Embedded affiliations. | 00:54 |
| paulproteus | Thanks, I just read his post. | 01:02 |
| clsmith | Link please? | 01:02 |
| paulproteus | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/blog/ | 01:02 |
| clsmith | Thanks. | 01:02 |
| * paulproteus nods dutifully. | 01:02 | |
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| nkinkade1 | But regarding the convenience of smartphones, if I Twittered I'd Twitter this: "The road to hell is paved with conveniences." And I mean that seriously. | 02:20 |
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| paulproteus | Like how conveniently you sign off before I can reply to that. | 02:21 |
| clsmith | ... Surely smartphones won't lead us to hell any more than laptops, or netbooks, have... | 02:29 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: is there a page in teamspace where our domain registrar accounts are listed? | 16:39 |
| nkinkade | nathany: It's a Google Doc. | 16:40 |
| nkinkade | You have access it, I believe. | 16:40 |
| nathany | ok, i'll look for it | 16:40 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: found it, updated; thanks | 17:05 |
| nkinkade | Cool. | 17:05 |
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| nkinkade | That stuff might almost be better on Teamspace, but it was handed down that way from DC. | 17:06 |
| nathany | nkinkade: you're probably right (in both cases); I looked first on the Web_Accounts page | 17:08 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Should I just move it and be done with the Google Doc? | 17:08 |
| nathany | maybe a registrar specific page linked from there? | 17:08 |
| nathany | nkinkade: do you think it'd be helpful to have in teamspace? | 17:09 |
| nathany | maybe just a link from web_accounts to the google doc? | 17:09 |
| nkinkade | I think it'd be more accessible and intuitive. | 17:09 |
| nathany | sure | 17:09 |
| nkinkade | I don't like Google Docs, is part of it. | 17:09 |
| nkinkade | They seem buggy. | 17:09 |
| nathany | :) | 17:09 |
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| nathany | yeah, moving is fine by me | 17:09 |
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| * johndoigiii awaiting ferry, loling to nkinkade's birthday emails | 17:18 | |
| nkinkade | I think there is more than one person who probably read those and felt like it was belittling Mike and trivializing a special day. But the truth is that Mike eats that stuff up. | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | (or at least I believe so!) | 17:21 |
| johndoigiii | haha yeah his counter was very engaging | 17:22 |
| johndoigiii | so he obv enjoyed your sentiment | 17:22 |
| Bovinity | hey, mike started it | 17:24 |
| Bovinity | ;) | 17:24 |
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| nkinkade | That's right, maybe some people missed it, but he asked for my "categorical" view on birthdays. Most likely, precisely so that such an exchange would take place. :-) | 17:25 |
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| johndoigiii | am I the only one who isn't redirected to my requested page after I am asked to log in on MediaWiki (in particular the Teamspace) | 18:45 |
| greg-g | nope | 18:47 |
| greg-g | same here | 18:47 |
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| johndoigiii | oh okay | 18:48 |
| greg-g | not that I don't think that is wrong :) | 18:57 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Do you know a way (off the top of your head) to change the Roundup email prefix [IssueXXX] to e.g. [LearnXXX]? | 19:29 |
| paulproteus | If not, I can continue to search the docs. | 19:29 |
| nathany | paulproteus: I don't think you can easily | 19:30 |
| nathany | it's reflecting the Class+Id of the object | 19:30 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, that's what it seemed. I can change the default class to be Learn instead of Issue... | 19:31 |
| paulproteus | The reason I wonder about it is to avoid problems if someone forwards a CC Learn issue to the CC Tech issue email address. | 19:32 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i seem to recall that Issue is baked in there pretty well | 19:53 |
| nathany | fwiw | 19:53 |
| paulproteus | That's disappointing, but so be it. | 19:53 |
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| paulproteus | greg-g, I think I've finally fixed the liblicense repo for amd64 intrepid. | 20:04 |
| paulproteus | By now you're probably on Jaunty? (-: | 20:04 |
| paulproteus | It's easy to add a Jaunty set of builders, though. | 20:04 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: awesome, and indeed I am on Jaunty (on half of my machines, laptop is still intrepid) | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | It's a completely automated setup with documentation now. | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | Well, mostly automated, but at least documented. | 20:08 |
| greg-g | well done | 20:09 |
| paulproteus | tty post cheesecake | 20:10 |
| greg-g | mmmm, cheesecake | 20:12 |
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| * Bovinity grumbles about a certain employee doing certain things to the wiki making it definitely annoying | 20:43 | |
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| paulproteus | nathany, nkinkade, http://staging.creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/hr/ gives 403 - is that expected? | 21:03 |
| paulproteus | I will go read the server logs. | 21:04 |
| nathany | no | 21:04 |
| paulproteus | Looks like similar proxy AllowDeny stuff. | 21:04 |
| paulproteus | I'll look into it and fix it. | 21:05 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, http://www.wikigender.org/index.php/International_Museum_of_Women_(IMOW) ("Edit this gender") | 21:24 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Can you think of any way to get Firefox to open clicked links in one browser instance in another instance? | 21:53 |
| paulproteus | Er, whoa. | 21:53 |
| paulproteus | It would be "easy" to have a Fx extension make that a right-click option. | 21:53 |
| paulproteus | That's actually a pretty cool idea. | 21:53 |
| paulproteus | Then I could separate my personal and work Fxes. | 21:53 |
| nkinkade | It's the whole Gmail, no cookies thing. | 21:53 |
| * paulproteus nods | 21:54 | |
| paulproteus | I just select a URL and middle-click in Epiphany. | 21:54 |
| paulproteus | Also your Cacti graphs are taking forever to load. | 21:54 |
| nkinkade | Many emails come with links, and now I have to copy it and open it in my sanitized browser instance. | 21:54 |
| nkinkade | Really? | 21:54 |
| nkinkade | They seem to be loading quickly on my side. | 21:54 |
| paulproteus | I've been waiting for about two minutes so far. | 21:54 |
| paulproteus | Weird. | 21:54 |
| paulproteus | Oh, there they are! | 21:54 |
| nkinkade | Like the a6 page loaded in < 3 seconds. | 21:55 |
| paulproteus | I'll chalk it up to something on my end for now. | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | Phew. | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | There's not much data there right now, but it could be useful information as more of it collects. | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | For planning and deployment, etc. | 21:56 |
| paulproteus | I'd be interested in I/O-related figures. | 21:56 |
| paulproteus | And # of processes in Wait state. | 21:56 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I'm sure that can be added, feel free to poke around in there. | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | It'd be nice if those graphs were publicly visible without authentication, I think. | 22:00 |
| paulproteus | I agree! | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | I'm looking into that now. | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | Anonymous access works now by going to: http://a6.creativecommons.org/cacti/graph_view.php | 22:03 |
| paulproteus | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/09/BAP816VTE6.DTL&tsp=1 is amazing. | 22:04 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, You may possibly really like that. | 22:06 |
| paulproteus | ucsc.edu is offline, as is huge swaths of the south bay. | 22:06 |
| paulproteus | So are all credit card and ATM services in Santa Cruz. | 22:06 |
| mattl | wow. | 22:07 |
| paulproteus | It's kind of heartening to me to know that we still have such active anti-technology vandals. | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | haha | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | I'm not into vandalism or destruction. | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | Neither one of those things are solutions to anything. | 22:08 |
| paulproteus | It's just property and convenience they're destroying. | 22:08 |
| paulproteus | c.f. http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/09/02/on-the-rnc-monica-bicking-eryn-trimmer-and-protest/ | 22:09 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Okay if I assign joint copyright to our cheesy jToolkit patch to the jToolkit company, St James Software? | 22:10 |
| nathany | sure | 22:10 |
| nathany | although mia will tell you that's a totally bogus legal concept | 22:11 |
| paulproteus | That's good news. | 22:11 |
| paulproteus | "an unrevocable, world-wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license" (did I miss anything?) | 22:11 |
| paulproteus | I guess no one here is a lawyer, anyway, and I ought to ask one of those sorts. | 22:12 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: in firefox preferences, set "open new pages" to "a new tab" under the tab settings. (re your FF query earlier) | 22:14 |
| paulproteus | I think he means a diff. Fx process entirely. | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I'm running two instances of Firefox, one that with a profile that accepts cookies and one that doesn't, among some other plugin differences. I run Gmail for CC in the one that accepts cookies and everything else in the one that doesn't. I want links from one to open in another remote instance. | 22:16 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: ah | 22:16 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Did you ever find anything with the CC Planet and Python 2.5? | 22:59 |
| nathany | nkinkade: I haven't had a chance to really dig in yet | 23:05 |
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| nkinkade | No rush. Just curious. | 23:06 |
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| nkinkade | If you think it's not rdfadict related, then I can dig around myself a little more. | 23:06 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: i'm not certain -- it appears that an URL is urlencoded (with %xx for the ":") | 23:07 |
| nathany | so something isn't un-encoding correctly | 23:07 |
| nathany | i'm going to do some out of band testing with the python interpreter to see if i can find behavior that changed between 2.4 and 2.5 | 23:08 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, As promised, now that cheesecake is over, I can talk to you again. | 23:14 |
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| Bovinity | man, that was some good fake cheesecake | 23:28 |
| ankitg | haoyu_: ping ... you around? | 23:52 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, What's the story on making new @cc email addresses? | 23:53 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: How do you mean? | 23:54 |
| nkinkade | I can make them. | 23:54 |
| nkinkade | Maybe you can too, let me check. | 23:55 |
| paulproteus | Oh, yeah, I can too! | 23:55 |
| paulproteus | I forgot. | 23:55 |
| paulproteus | Is it okay if I create one for learn-issues@, or will that result in us being billed lots of money? | 23:55 |
| nkinkade | yes, you can too.l | 23:55 |
| nkinkade | But it'll mean accepting a cookie from Google. :-) | 23:55 |
| paulproteus | That's what Epiphany is for! | 23:55 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: We have an Education account now, which is free and has a limit of 200 user accounts. | 23:56 |
| paulproteus | Super rad. | 23:56 |
| nkinkade | We're only using about 44. | 23:56 |
| nkinkade | Create away. | 23:56 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Why use Epiphany for that? Why not just launch another instance of Firefox with a special profile? | 23:57 |
| nkinkade | Then you get all the nice extensions. | 23:57 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: What window manager do you use? | 23:57 |
| paulproteus | awesome (3.0) | 23:58 |
| paulproteus | I should upgrade to 3.1 one day, I just haven't really felt a need. | 23:58 |
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