| paulproteus | I don't see any at all. | 00:00 |
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| johndoigiii | hmm | 00:06 |
| paulproteus | Seems not all keys are killed. | 00:07 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, my mistake. | 00:07 |
| johndoigiii | oh ok | 00:08 |
| paulproteus | My laptop's key doesn't work, but my desktop's and many others do. | 00:08 |
| paulproteus | I'll assume my laptop's issue is my laptop's issue. | 00:08 |
| johndoigiii | well, I have to run and catch the ferry before it departs | 00:09 |
| johndoigiii | but I will be back online later this evening | 00:09 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 00:09 |
| paulproteus | I'll stop worrying for now. | 00:10 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: SYN? | 03:56 |
| nathany | (not expecting an ACK, but figured I'd check) | 03:56 |
| paulproteus | nathany, ACK | 04:01 |
| nathany | paulproteus: I think I managed to muddle through on my own | 04:01 |
| paulproteus | "Good" | 04:01 |
| nathany | trying to get mod_fcgid going for a personal project | 04:01 |
| paulproteus | Hacked by Chinese | 04:02 |
| * paulproteus giggles | 04:02 | |
| paulproteus | Couldn't help myself. | 04:02 |
| nathany | finally realized that I could "just" use mod_rewrite to pass URLs to the fcgi | 04:02 |
| nathany | and it'd "do the right thing" | 04:02 |
| paulproteus | "Great" | 04:02 |
| nathany | (does that match your experience?) | 04:02 |
| paulproteus | I usually "just" use Alias or ScriptAlias. | 04:02 |
| nathany | Right, but I couldn't get Alias to work @ the root of the site | 04:03 |
| paulproteus | Ah-hah. | 04:03 |
| nathany | ^/ seemed to make it angry | 04:03 |
| * nathany takes a phone call | 04:04 | |
| * paulproteus nods calmly. | 04:04 | |
| nathany | paulproteus: anyway, not angry per se | 04:12 |
| nathany | it just *really* wanted to add an extra "/" | 04:12 |
| nathany | (and even when I tried to do it differently it wasn't really happy | 04:13 |
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| JanisB | nathany, can I ask about GSoC proposals? :) | 15:11 |
| nathany | JanisB: sure | 15:12 |
| JanisB | what's now? | 15:13 |
| nathany | in the SoC process? | 15:13 |
| JanisB | mentors should review all proposals and students should wait until 15 of April? | 15:13 |
| nathany | right; you should subscribe to updates on your proposal so you're notified if the mentors have any public questions for you | 15:13 |
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| nathany | actually it looks like you won't be notified until april 20 | 15:14 |
| nathany | but selections have to finish by april 156 | 15:14 |
| nathany | 15 | 15:14 |
| nathany | (http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline) | 15:14 |
| JanisB | Is there someone else with same proposal like mine (RDFa for WP)? | 15:15 |
| nathany | JanisB: yes; we had several for that project | 15:16 |
| JanisB | it is possible that mentors will need some additional info/will have questions about my proposal (in other words - should i stay on this channel or i can wait questions over e-mails/public comments at SoC site)? | 15:20 |
| nathany | JanisB: if you're subscribed to comments on your proposal that should be enough; we're posting questions there so that all mentors can see them along with responses | 15:21 |
| JanisB | ok, thank you | 15:22 |
| nathany | sure, thanks for the proposal :) | 15:22 |
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| rainman-sr | rdf for wp? | 15:35 |
| rainman-sr | this rdf? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RDF | 15:35 |
| rainman-sr | oh wp is wordpress, nevermind | 15:38 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Mornin'. | 16:50 |
| nathany | morning paulproteus | 16:53 |
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| paulproteus | Morning plan: Finish implement choosing a sidebox on OpenEd, wait for NK's fires to go away re: upgrades, then eat lunch and come in. | 16:58 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Would you have a problem with me removing the "Your Name" text that is auto filled on the contact form? | 16:59 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: is it superfluous, or is it a hint? i'm guessing the former | 17:00 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: ah, yeah, especally considering it's required.. remove | 17:00 |
| nkinkade | It has two negative qualities: 1) It allow people to not fill the field so we get mails with subjects like "A comment from Your Name", which is confusing 2) it's javascript activated, and someone just complained that the text wouldn't go away from some reason, though I can't think how or why that could be. | 17:00 |
| Bovinity | perverbial someone probably has JS turned off | 17:01 |
| Bovinity | but yes, go ahead and remove it. | 17:01 |
| nkinkade | I'll just ditch it. It will at least force people to put something even if it means we get mails with subjects like "A comment from Fuck, I'm not giving you my name." | 17:01 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Upgrade o'clock? | 17:17 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: I thought we were going to go with early afternoon your time? | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | Oh, right, I forgot. | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | I remember that now. | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | I'll probably go to lunch in about 45 minutes. | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | Excellent. | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | I'd rather not start just before lunch in case I get held up. | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | Yes, right on. | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | And the same for you guys, so I figured around 1 or 2 pm Pacific would fit that bill. | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | Cool. | 17:19 |
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| paulproteus | god i hate php it makes me want to dye | 18:07 |
| paulproteus | something_that_returns_an_array()[0]; /* syntax error */ | 18:07 |
| paulproteus | were you guys even THINKING? | 18:07 |
| johndoigiii | lol | 18:13 |
| mattl | paulproteus: why does that make you want to dye? | 18:16 |
| paulproteus | At some point, you just want to give up computers and work in textiles. | 18:16 |
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| mattl | i thought CC was just a t-shirt maker who did licenses on the side? | 18:26 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: are you doing a5 and a7 at the same time, or one after the other? | 19:25 |
| paulproteus | cssh! | 19:25 |
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| paulproteus | I'd like to make a note here that MediaWiki does not come close to following a MVC design pattern. | 19:44 |
| mattl | paulproteus: dye, patterns... you really are running a t-shirt operation. | 19:44 |
| paulproteus | MVC-058F 41 Rolling stone pattern quilt in typical Pa. German colors with green centers having names embroidered on them <http://www.quilthistory.com/study/nov19.htm> | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | MediaWiki is *nothing* like that. | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Around again yet? | 20:11 |
| paulproteus | I'm thinking of going offline for 15m and biking in to the office (now that it's no longer raining). | 20:11 |
| nkinkade | nathany: paulproteus: Just back from lunch this very moment. | 20:11 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 20:11 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Shall we do the upgrade when you arrive at the office? | 20:11 |
| nathany | great | 20:12 |
| paulproteus | Sounds great to me. | 20:12 |
| nathany | and when will that be? | 20:12 |
| paulproteus | 15m | 20:12 |
| nathany | great | 20:12 |
| paulproteus | Maybe 20m | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | P.S. Sorry about what I wrote on ticket 177. | 20:13 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Up to now, I've been trying to upgrade no more than 1 machine at a time, but I'm feeling fairly convinced of the stability of Lenny with out setup, so I see no reason not to do a5, then if all is well and there is time, to just get a7 out of the way too. | 20:13 |
| nathany | nkinkade: does it make sense to do a7 first to discover any [possible] cc.engine problems? just a thought | 20:14 |
| nathany | i don't anticipate any, just thinking out loud | 20:14 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'm fine with that, and it makes sense, too. | 20:15 |
| nathany | great | 20:19 |
| paulproteus | Okay, just about 20m from now. | 20:22 |
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| paulproteus | (rehi) | 20:49 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I'm chilling with the ccLearners in the big, noisy conf. room. | 20:49 |
| nathany | ok | 20:49 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i guess you'll start on a7? | 20:49 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: fyi, if you're mucking on staging.cc.org nkinkade is going to do a dist upgrade on it so it'll be periodically unavailable | 20:50 |
| johndoigiii | alrighty thanks | 20:50 |
| paulproteus | The longest downtime period would be when apt stops and starts mysqld. | 20:52 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, For that reason, maybe you can 'apt-get install mysql-server-5.0' before the main dist-upgrade? | 20:53 |
| paulproteus | That would minimize its downtime. | 20:53 |
| nathany | (don't forget the reboot, paulproteus) | 20:53 |
| paulproteus | (oh, yeah, reboots are awesome) | 20:53 |
| paulproteus | (-: and I did forget) | 20:54 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Good idea. | 20:54 |
| nkinkade | nathany: paulproteus: I'm going to start on a7. | 20:54 |
| paulproteus | This'll be fun! | 20:54 |
| nkinkade | I'll start with dpk and apt, then do mysql, then do a full-upgrade. | 20:54 |
| nkinkade | Sound reasonable? | 20:54 |
| paulproteus | Start with {dpkg, apt, aptitude} then mysql, then full, sure. | 20:55 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: There is a dep. problem with python-subversion, the first solution is to downgrade it. Will that be okay? | 21:07 |
| nkinkade | Apparently the installed version requires < python2.5 | 21:07 |
| paulproteus | I can't even remember what we use it for. | 21:07 |
| paulproteus | Can you try 'aptitude install python-subversion' and see what it can upgrade? | 21:08 |
| nkinkade | libsvn-perl [1.5.4dfsg1-1~asheesh (now) -> 1.5.1dfsg1-2 (stable)] | 21:08 |
| paulproteus | Hah! | 21:08 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 21:08 |
| paulproteus | Uh, sure. | 21:08 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 21:08 |
| nathany | did we need it for pootle/herder stuff? | 21:08 |
| nkinkade | Other than that, the changes it wants to make seem reasonable and non-critical. | 21:09 |
| nkinkade | So paulproteus libsvn going down in version won't affecting anything with code.CC.org? | 21:09 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I see, this is the whole Subversion package. | 21:09 |
| paulproteus | Well 1.5.4 has some improvements over 1.5.1. | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | Oh, no sorry. it's just libsvn-perl. | 21:10 |
| paulproteus | Release the lock and lemme see? | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: http://pastebin.com/d4fae538a | 21:10 |
| paulproteus | Looks like this is for git-svn. | 21:10 |
| paulproteus | I'd rather keep those more recent. Let | 21:11 |
| paulproteus | Well, it's only temporary. | 21:11 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Want to do the screen -x bit? | 21:11 |
| paulproteus | Oh yes! | 21:11 |
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| nkinkade | I just entered a screen session. | 21:12 |
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| paulproteus | I'm right there with you. | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | Sure, whatever, let's downgrade those suckers. | 21:12 |
| nkinkade | I guess you were okay with the suggestion. :-) | 21:13 |
| paulproteus | It's pretty lame; it's not even going to upgrade openssh. | 21:13 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Would you have edited init.d/glibc.sh for anything? | 21:15 |
| paulproteus | Let's take the new Debian version | 21:17 |
| paulproteus | You take it from here | 21:17 |
| paulproteus | This is fun, whee. | 21:17 |
| paulproteus | It's like watching a movie. | 21:18 |
| paulproteus | On the big screen tonight: The age-old story, retold for a new era: UPGRADE TO LENNY. | 21:20 |
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| nkinkade | So dpkg uses perl quite a lot. | 21:23 |
| paulproteus | Ya. Many packages use Perl scripting in prerm/postinst. | 21:25 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Did you post this to #cc the other day?: http://xkcd.com/224/ | 21:25 |
| paulproteus | It's on my former advisor's door. | 21:26 |
| nkinkade | Watching it rebuild locale data is only slightly better than watching older versions of Windows defragment a drive. | 21:27 |
| paulproteus | Hah. | 21:27 |
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| paulproteus | w00t, gitosis is "currently" broken. | 21:29 |
| paulproteus | Probably because the default Python version changed. | 21:30 |
| paulproteus | I'll fix it. | 21:30 |
| paulproteus | (done; I hardcoded python2.4 "for now" in gitosis-serve; if we next upgrade gitosis that'll get overwritten with /usr/bin/python, which work work because the upgrade will install the module for python2.5) | 21:36 |
| nathany | nkinkade: have we rebooted into the brave new world of lenny yet? not sure if i should be paying attention to roundup borkedness | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Not yet. It's still upgrading, and I'm sorting out some changes to config files that apt is warning me about. | 21:47 |
| nathany | got it | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | It's about to be ready. | 21:47 |
| nathany | i'll ignore for now | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | Oh, ready. | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | But I'm going to tweak the configs before reboot. | 21:48 |
| nkinkade | -ing | 21:48 |
| nathany | ok | 21:48 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: paulproteus: Bovinity: Shall I let reboot kill your sessions on a7, or are there things that need to close cleanly? | 21:55 |
| paulproteus | You can kill my sessions. | 21:55 |
| Bovinity | killed | 21:55 |
| nathany | i'm out | 21:55 |
| paulproteus | Whee, this'll be fun. | 21:57 |
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| nkinkade | Wiki and staging seem to be working nicely so far. | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | I guess I'll re-enable Nagios for a7, and see what's up. | 21:58 |
| paulproteus | The OpenEd folks seem to have hardly noticed. | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Can you take a look at cc.engine on a7? | 22:02 |
| nkinkade | (staging) | 22:02 |
| nathany | looking | 22:02 |
| nkinkade | I think it may just be a startup script issue. | 22:02 |
| nkinkade | cc.engine for labs is running, or something that looks like it. | 22:02 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yeah, i just killed the labs instance and removed it from rc.local, killed it's startup script | 22:06 |
| nathany | re-buildout-ing staging | 22:07 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Looks like apps/scraper and apps/triples are down too. | 22:07 |
| nathany | ok | 22:07 |
| nathany | paulproteus: did you not convert staging to use fcgi as well as production? | 22:09 |
| nathany | (for the triple scraper) | 22:09 |
| paulproteus | I don't particularly recall doing that. But it's all kind of hazy. | 22:10 |
| * nathany grumbles under his breath | 22:11 | |
| paulproteus | Let me know if you want me to. I can spring into action if desired. | 22:12 |
| paulproteus | I thought I mostly just convinced you guys to FCGIify things rather than did it myself. | 22:13 |
| * nathany rolls his eyes | 22:13 | |
| paulproteus | No, I remember now doing it for the scraper. | 22:13 |
| nathany | uh, no, you did it on production :) | 22:13 |
| paulproteus | Yes, that's right. | 22:13 |
| nathany | nevermind, i'm looking @ the license engine at the moment | 22:13 |
| paulproteus | Okay, cool. Do let me know if you want me to. | 22:13 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to see about fixing the roundup mail gateway, which seems to have broken. | 22:14 |
| nathany | all of roundup seems dead | 22:14 |
| paulproteus | Ya | 22:14 |
| paulproteus | I just found that. | 22:14 |
| paulproteus | Since you did the initial install, want to look at it? If you're busy I will continue to investigate; I imagine I can figure out what you did. | 22:16 |
| * paulproteus investigates; if you want me to stop, interrupt me | 22:16 | |
| nathany | i'm happy to look but it'll have to wait | 22:16 |
| paulproteus | Quick q: did you install from Debian packages, or upstream source, or what? | 22:17 |
| paulproteus | Looks like packages to me. | 22:17 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i'm not sure; i would have guess packages | 22:18 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 22:18 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, a7 wants you to install nagios3, it seems. | 22:20 |
| paulproteus | Run "apt-get -f install" and you'll see some things it wants to address. | 22:20 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I need to fix that. | 22:20 |
| paulproteus | Cool, so long as you know. No rush from me on that. | 22:20 |
| nkinkade | I tried to purge it before rebooting, but a postinstall script failed. | 22:20 |
| nathany | paulproteus: roundup appears to be a mod_proxy muck up | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | Fixed. | 22:22 |
| nathany | (guessing, based on error.log) | 22:22 |
| nathany | great | 22:22 |
| nathany | thank | 22:22 |
| nathany | s | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | I'm familiar with a few mod_proxy problems, from experience. (-: | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | roundup-mailgw is also working fine now, I believe. | 22:25 |
| nathany | paulproteus: any idea why python2.5 on a7 wouldn't be loading /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sitecustomize.py? | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | Not off the top of my head; let me quickly check | 22:28 |
| nkinkade | Was it a mod_proxy thing? There was maybe 1 line in the old mod_proxy setup that seemed strange, but I accepted the maintainers version, so that could have been it. | 22:28 |
| nathany | oh, weird | 22:28 |
| nathany | looks like it wants it not in site-packages but one level up | 22:29 |
| paulproteus | python -v # says it was | 22:29 |
| paulproteus | Oh, yeah, right. (I was about to paste what it said it imported.) | 22:29 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Yeah, it was a mod_proxy thing. I'd like to just show you a "git diff" but we don't have etckeeper on a7 yet. (-: | 22:29 |
| nathany | WTF, they add an apport hook there? | 22:29 |
| nathany | jhfc | 22:29 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: The old mod_proxy.conf file should still be there. | 22:30 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I didn't change the mod_proxy.conf, just the vhost's configuration. | 22:30 |
| nkinkade | Didn't dpkg move rename it before installing the new one. | 22:30 |
| nathany | nkinkade: paulproteus: cc.engine back up on staging | 22:31 |
| paulproteus | w00t, yay nathany | 22:31 |
| nathany | looking @ scraper now | 22:31 |
| paulproteus | Oh my God http://staging.creativecommons.org/ looks amazing. | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Was it a trivial fix? | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | I know, I was shocked by it a couple hours ago. | 22:32 |
| nathany | nkinkade: eh | 22:32 |
| Bovinity | lol | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | I haven't been there in a while, and was pleasantly surprised. | 22:32 |
| nathany | had to remove a ctypes dependency since it's in py2.5 now | 22:32 |
| Bovinity | thanks guys | 22:32 |
| nathany | reset the default encoding | 22:32 |
| nathany | re build out | 22:32 |
| paulproteus | ...dude that's Derek (iMorpheus) in the photo thing. | 22:32 |
| paulproteus | In the upper-right corner. | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: When did you put all that goodness up on staging? | 22:32 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: yesterday, for the meeting we had | 22:33 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: but it's basically up for testing and dev, since my local WP doesn't have everything i need | 22:33 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: don't worry about letting me know about any weirdness with the theme, i'm on track with what's not working properly | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: etckeeper is now installed on a7 | 22:34 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | I guess it's a good thing we did this on a7 before a5. | 22:35 |
| nathany | nkinkade: scraper back up | 22:36 |
| nathany | let's do a5 and get on with our lives | 22:36 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Shall we do a5 right now? | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 22:37 |
| nathany | let's do it | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | Okay. | 22:38 |
| nathany | i don't think we'll have the scraper problems there | 22:38 |
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| nathany | (since it's fcgi'd) | 22:38 |
| nathany | nkinkade: can you ping me when i should start looking @ a5? | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | Interestingly, upgrading dpkg, apt and aptitude pull in the upgrade of mysql. | 22:39 |
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| nkinkade | Yeah, I'll give you a shout when/if you need to get involved. | 22:39 |
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| nkinkade | dpkg has 58978 files and dirs installed on a5. There's nothing more simple in the world than an operating system. | 22:51 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, (-: | 22:56 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: on a5: /etc/bash_completion.d/git | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | Did you ever modify that file? | 23:14 |
| * paulproteus shrugs | 23:14 | |
| paulproteus | If so, no big deal. | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | I'll just use the maintainer's version. | 23:14 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: a5:/license | 23:26 |
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| nathany | on it | 23:27 |
| nathany | and we're back | 23:27 |
| nathany | nkinkade: looking @ metadata scraper, mta and scholars now | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'm looking at mta. | 23:29 |
| nathany | great | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | It seems to be a proxy.conf thing again. | 23:29 |
| nathany | right | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | And it's back up now. | 23:30 |
| nathany | looks like that fixed scholars too | 23:30 |
| nathany | nkinkade: scraper is back; seems that it was missing the suexec wrapper (*cough* paulproteus *cough*) | 23:34 |
| paulproteus | er | 23:34 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. And Apache issued a warning about the suexec wrapper when I restarted it | 23:35 |
| paulproteus | I don't really know why I'm being coughed at. | 23:35 |
| paulproteus | apache2-suexec is a separate package from apache2, but I think it's installed by default. | 23:35 |
| paulproteus | I mean, it's an add-on package like a module. | 23:35 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i'm coughing because it wasn't installed and because it's your handiwork (hacked by chinese ;) ) | 23:36 |
| nathany | (not a real cough, just an annoying change in debian) | 23:37 |
| paulproteus | You know Deviant Art.com? I bought Debian Tart. | 23:38 |
| paulproteus | (.com) | 23:38 |
| paulproteus | I'm not sure what quite to do with it. (I always used to read it as devianTart anyway.) | 23:38 |
| nkinkade | nathany: paulproteus: Nagios reports that all services that were/are monitored are up. | 23:39 |
| nathany | awesome | 23:39 |
| nkinkade | It seems that a5 went smoother than any of the others. | 23:39 |
| nathany | thanks, nkinkade, paulproteus | 23:39 |
| nathany | yeah | 23:39 |
| nkinkade | Thank you both. | 23:39 |
| paulproteus | You two too. (-: | 23:40 |
| nathany | ok, i'm going home | 23:40 |
| nathany | ttyl | 23:40 |
| nkinkade | And I'm going out for a beer. | 23:45 |
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| paulproteus | And I'm going to stay at the office and get some more work done. | 23:50 |
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