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| anivanne | alguem do brasil? | 01:40 |
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| janmalte | Hello, i have a few questions | 15:10 |
| janmalte | can i use the by-nc-nd CC for software too | 15:10 |
| janmalte | or is there a similar license like it for software | 15:11 |
| janmalte | second q is, does the modifications have to bee under the same license? | 15:11 |
| ianweller | 1) we don't recommend using CC licenses for software | 15:13 |
| ianweller | however a 'non-commercial' and 'no-derivs' license for software is widely considered 'non-free' | 15:14 |
| ianweller | 2) a -nd license would mean that they can't make modifications so it doesn't matter what license they're under since they're not permitted. | 15:14 |
| ianweller | (which is why i wouldn't use an -nd license) | 15:14 |
| janmalte | oh, sorry, my misstake | 15:15 |
| janmalte | i meant this one: by-nc-sa | 15:15 |
| ianweller | alright. | 15:15 |
| ianweller | then, yes. | 15:15 |
| ianweller | the closest you can get to a software license would be the GPL, which is semi-equivalent to by-sa | 15:16 |
| ianweller | a non-commerical license is "non-free" in the hindsight of freedoms. | 15:16 |
| janmalte | ok | 15:19 |
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| cristi | hello everyone | 17:40 |
| cristi | i'm now to this comunity so please don't be tu hursh on me :) | 17:40 |
| cristi | i wanted to talk to someone about the GSoC2009 "RDFa Plugin for WordPress" idea | 17:41 |
| cristi | *i'm new | 17:41 |
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| cristi | do you know some mentors for the Google Summer Of Code 2009 on behalf of CC? | 17:48 |
| greg-g | cristi: the mentors are not here right now, usually here during business hours (US West coast time) Mon-Friday. | 17:49 |
| greg-g | what is your question though? | 17:49 |
| cristi | first of all I wanted to ask why is this project submited under CC foundation and not wordpress since it's goal is to extend WordPress | 17:52 |
| cristi | but then I realize, both parties benefit from this | 17:54 |
| greg-g | because it would be a plugin developed by CC, not a modification to the core part of Wordpress (and, because CC wants it to be done, so we'll work on it) | 17:54 |
| cristi | ( an offtopic question: are you here for GSOC to? ) | 17:55 |
| greg-g | nope, I am an employee | 17:56 |
| cristi | hope I'm not disturbing | 17:57 |
| greg-g | not at all, I wouldn't have answered if I didn't want to :) | 17:57 |
| cristi | I started this conversation ecause I want to cristalize my ideas about this project | 17:57 |
| cristi | and in talking with some one maybe new ideas would come ot | 17:58 |
| cristi | take it as a brainstroming seesion of some sort | 17:58 |
| greg-g | gotcha, well, I'm not one of the mentors but I can help you with ideas | 17:58 |
| greg-g | yeah | 17:58 |
| cristi | I have some backdround on RDF and FOAF | 17:59 |
| cristi | since my graduation project involved both | 17:59 |
| greg-g | oh good! that would come in handy for this project | 18:00 |
| cristi | I was wondering if this plugin could be used in making annotations to all the content of the blog | 18:01 |
| cristi | (I'm thinking out loud so please ignore me if I say something stupid) | 18:02 |
| greg-g | I don't see why not, although I don't know the details of the WP backend, but at least everything within a blog post | 18:02 |
| greg-g | there is also a wordpress plugin that adds CC license information to the blog as a whole (in the footer) | 18:03 |
| cristi | hmm this can be improved and would result in the goal of the project | 18:04 |
| cristi | <<Support an "advanced" mode for specifying the predicate by URI >> ... I don't understand this | 18:04 |
| cristi | predicate of ... | 18:05 |
| greg-g | the predicate is a part of rdfa | 18:06 |
| cristi | I know | 18:07 |
| cristi | but to what it refers | 18:07 |
| cristi | it may be I don't understant the semantics of the phrase | 18:07 |
| cristi | oh... i think i get it | 18:07 |
| greg-g | so, not just being dependent on the ccrel predicate but also allowing other predicates (definitions) for other standards | 18:08 |
| cristi | we select the predicate from the list and aply it so some content | 18:08 |
| cristi | yes | 18:08 |
| greg-g | right | 18:08 |
| cristi | I may be to optimistic but I think it doesn't need so many work hours | 18:09 |
| cristi | do you think i'm mising some potential problem? | 18:10 |
| greg-g | I don't, actually, I think this would be a part of a gsoc project ideally | 18:10 |
| cristi | the UI can be implemented in 2 weeks top | 18:11 |
| cristi | the functionality in an additional 3 (the pessimistic view) | 18:11 |
| cristi | and overall documentation 1-2 weeks | 18:11 |
| cristi | 6 weeks... 1,5 moths | 18:12 |
| greg-g | so, the obvious combination project would be to do a similar thing for other php-based web-authoring packages, ie: photo galleries. | 18:12 |
| cristi | yes.. so you propose I sould consider in developing another plugin for flicker that does the same thing? | 18:13 |
| cristi | oh.. .wait | 18:14 |
| greg-g | well, flickr is not Free/Open Source software :) | 18:14 |
| dini | lol | 18:15 |
| cristi | my bad | 18:15 |
| cristi | i just realized | 18:15 |
| greg-g | I was thinking of gallery2: http://gallery.menalto.com/ | 18:15 |
| robmyers | there's gallery and other Free image systems | 18:15 |
| robmyers | yes | 18:15 |
| greg-g | I guess they're on gallery3 now, heh | 18:16 |
| greg-g | cristi: or of course, any other web-based system that you use/like/whatever. | 18:18 |
| cristi | i understand... and thinking on them | 18:19 |
| cristi | phpBB doesn't seem a good place in which you could integrate meta data to content | 18:20 |
| cristi | I mean, users just write short phrases | 18:21 |
| greg-g | yeah, I suppose a user could agree to a Terms of Service when joing similat to: "all of my contributions to this site are licensed under a CC:BY license" Then all of the posts will be rdfa'd based on that. Very similar to what identi.ca does | 18:24 |
| greg-g | *similar | 18:25 |
| cristi | there must be more to be done here... | 18:26 |
| cristi | ok, so I tag my content with the proper predicate or whatever ... | 18:28 |
| greg-g | (that was my first time using 'rdfa' as a verb:) ) | 18:28 |
| cristi | maybe it will cath on like google'd did | 18:28 |
| cristi | *catch | 18:28 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:29 |
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| cristi | I can't think at any other extension to this project, other than what you have just said, implementing the same thing for other services | 18:33 |
| greg-g | right | 18:33 |
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| greg-g | nathany: any ideas to extend the WP rdfa GSOC project to be bigger? cristi believes they would be done with it in 1.5 months tops. | 18:33 |
| greg-g | I suggested doing the same thing for other php web services (ie: gallery2) | 18:34 |
| nathany | hi cristi | 18:34 |
| cristi | hi | 18:34 |
| nathany | (and hi greg-g) | 18:34 |
| greg-g | (hi) | 18:34 |
| nathany | so if it can really be done in 1.5 mo, adding something like gallery2 as a secondary target would be awesome | 18:35 |
| greg-g | (welcome back home?) | 18:35 |
| nathany | greg-g: not yet, I'm @ ORD | 18:35 |
| nathany | (and things are actually semi on time, knock wood) | 18:35 |
| greg-g | nathany: :) good luck with the last leg | 18:36 |
| nathany | cristi: i think one thing that will be challenging (or would be for me) is getting it right in the visual editor | 18:36 |
| cristi | i didn't thought of that | 18:36 |
| cristi | but, it's still xhtml | 18:36 |
| nathany | we want to make it easy for people to add RDFa and that includes thoes would never look @ the HTML editor | 18:36 |
| cristi | can't be that bad | 18:36 |
| nathany | of course doing the source/HTML editor first makes the most sense -- lower hanging fruit... but i'd like to see it implemented in both | 18:36 |
| nathany | cristi: well sure, it's XHTML in the end, but it'd need to give feedback to the user that they've annotated that span or paragraph | 18:37 |
| nathany | i can't remember if they're doing FCKeditor or not | 18:37 |
| nathany | if so, it does have some hooks that might be useful | 18:37 |
| cristi | yeah... i must do some research on the visual problem | 18:38 |
| nathany | cristi: but i'm very happy to hear you're interested | 18:39 |
| cristi | what if we could make a plugin for firefox that could do that... and being active only on pages that contain a editbox | 18:43 |
| cristi | like a comment on a forum, a editing page on a blog, etc... | 18:44 |
| greg-g | cristi: the quick issue I see with that is the plugin wouldn't be able to know if the edit box accepts all HTML tags. Some services strip them out | 18:46 |
| cristi | XSS reason, yes | 18:47 |
| cristi | bad idea | 18:47 |
| cristi | (and it was obvious, sorry) | 18:48 |
| greg-g | heh, no apologies needed | 18:49 |
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| cristi | i'm going to study on the problems raised by nathany | 19:12 |
| cristi | thanks for all the help greg-g, and all of you | 19:12 |
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