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| norbert_ | hi all, I have a question about the CC-BY-SA | 01:40 |
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| greg-g | norbert_: whats the question? | 01:41 |
| norbert_ | everywhere "share alike" is used on the website, I read "allow others to distribute derivative works only [...]" | 01:41 |
| norbert_ | derivative works, as far as I know, means the work has been altered | 01:41 |
| norbert_ | it's not just distribution | 01:41 |
| greg-g | or incorporated into another work, yes. | 01:41 |
| greg-g | what is the use case you are thinking of? | 01:42 |
| norbert_ | well, it's hypothetical, but if an image would be CC-BY-SA and I wouldn't alter, transform or build upon it and just distribute it... it seems I can relicense it | 01:44 |
| greg-g | no | 01:44 |
| norbert_ | it says "If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same, similar or a compatible license." http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ | 01:44 |
| norbert_ | I think the text is unclear | 01:44 |
| greg-g | you do not hold the rights to that work | 01:44 |
| norbert_ | it should also mention "distribute" | 01:44 |
| norbert_ | yes, that's what I thought | 01:44 |
| norbert_ | anyways, my real question is the following: | 01:45 |
| norbert_ | if I find an image on Wikipedia that is CC-BY-SA | 01:45 |
| greg-g | norbert_: no, it doens't need to because you don't hold the rights to a work, so you can't relicense it, period. | 01:45 |
| norbert_ | and I want to use it in a book that includes only my personal views on things... | 01:45 |
| norbert_ | do I have to license the whole book CC-BY-SA? | 01:45 |
| norbert_ | because most books do not need to be changeable, because the authors express their opinions and nobody needs to change or adapt those opinions | 01:46 |
| norbert_ | unlike for example encyclopedias and software documentation | 01:47 |
| greg-g | no, you don't. | 01:47 |
| norbert_ | are you sure? | 01:47 |
| greg-g | see the definition of collection here: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode | 01:47 |
| norbert_ | which part of that license are you referring to? :) | 01:47 |
| norbert_ | it would be used as an illustration, not as part of a collection | 01:48 |
| greg-g | the definition of collection :) | 01:48 |
| greg-g | section 1 b | 01:48 |
| norbert_ | oh yes, I see | 01:48 |
| norbert_ | "in which the Work is included in its entirety in unmodified form along with one or more other contributions" | 01:48 |
| norbert_ | and in that case it's not an adaption, which means that 4a applies and not 4b | 01:49 |
| greg-g | correct, you're catching on | 01:50 |
| greg-g | 4c also applies, btw | 01:50 |
| greg-g | (and 4d, of course) | 01:50 |
| norbert_ | yes | 01:51 |
| norbert_ | another question | 01:51 |
| norbert_ | the image in question is licensed under CC-BY-SA 2 | 01:51 |
| norbert_ | and I read somewhere that the author may request their information to be removed from the Work | 01:51 |
| norbert_ | if books are printed and they later request their information to be removed... | 01:52 |
| norbert_ | that will not require the publisher to call back all the books, right? | 01:52 |
| greg-g | I don't know what you are referring to, could you provide a link to where that was said? | 01:53 |
| norbert_ | yes, here: http://web.archive.org/web/20050325023507/http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary.html | 01:53 |
| norbert_ | under Removing References | 01:53 |
| greg-g | last 2 sentences of 4a from http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/legalcode | 01:55 |
| greg-g | "to the extent practicable" is key | 01:55 |
| norbert_ | yes, that I know :) | 01:55 |
| norbert_ | but I'm wondering what would be considered to be practicable | 01:56 |
| greg-g | that hasn't been decided by a court | 01:56 |
| greg-g | it depends on the circumstance | 01:56 |
| greg-g | if the derivative is on your website, that is easy | 01:56 |
| norbert_ | yes, but recalling books is probably not going to fall under practicable | 01:56 |
| greg-g | in abook that was printed and sold, not so easy. I can't believe a court would think recalling the books would be practical | 01:56 |
| norbert_ | it would be a printed publication | 01:57 |
| norbert_ | me neither, so I guess I'm safe there | 01:57 |
| * greg-g nods | 01:57 | |
| greg-g | btw, I am not a lawyer, and all that | 01:57 |
| norbert_ | interesting; I thought CC-BY-SA would restrict me more than CC-BY, but it this case it doesn't | 01:57 |
| greg-g | it does restrict you more, when it comes to derivatives | 01:58 |
| norbert_ | yes, but in this case I won't have problems with that | 01:58 |
| greg-g | just like not with BY | 01:58 |
| norbert_ | I made the image part of the back cover of the book | 01:59 |
| greg-g | but remember (I feel this was unclear before) you can't relicense a BY-SA work as anything else, even if you don't make a derivative of it. | 01:59 |
| norbert_ | I hope that's still publication as a whole and not part of a new image :| | 01:59 |
| norbert_ | yes, I understood that part :) | 01:59 |
| greg-g | what does it look like? if it is incorporated into another image, yes, that is a derivative | 01:59 |
| greg-g | and a book cover image can be licensed separately than the text of the book. | 01:59 |
| norbert_ | how about when it is placed on a blue background of the cover which also has other images around it? | 02:00 |
| greg-g | any over lap? any non-trivial cropping? | 02:00 |
| greg-g | can you show me an example? | 02:00 |
| norbert_ | now that I'm thinking about it, it's a four leaf clover and I did make its stem a bit longer | 02:02 |
| norbert_ | *sigh* :) | 02:02 |
| norbert_ | but you mentioned that I could license the cover separately | 02:03 |
| norbert_ | that could be a solution | 02:03 |
| greg-g | yep, the cover could be BY-SA while the text could be BY | 02:03 |
| greg-g | or BY-NC | 02:03 |
| greg-g | but I would prefer BY or BY-SA :) | 02:03 |
| norbert_ | this is all incredibly complicated | 02:04 |
| norbert_ | the clover is on top of two horizontal lines and I did extend its stem a bit (copy-pasted) | 02:05 |
| norbert_ | I think I will move it under the lines and remove the extra stem parts I added | 02:05 |
| norbert_ | that way I can just keep it there without having to make the cover CC-licensed | 02:06 |
| norbert_ | right? | 02:06 |
| norbert_ | I guess most people have no idea of these things, it's only because I have an eye for detail that I find out about these things | 02:06 |
| greg-g | if you added extra stem parts, then that is a derivative. | 02:08 |
| greg-g | I don't konw what you mean by on top of two horizontal lines (who's lines are those?) I would really need to see what you are working with to give an opinion | 02:09 |
| norbert_ | yes, one moment, I'll upload it | 02:09 |
| greg-g | cool. | 02:10 |
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| norbert_ | http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2172/smallm.png | 02:12 |
| greg-g | norbert_: did the original clover leaf has a transparent background? | 02:13 |
| norbert_ | no :D | 02:13 |
| norbert_ | good call | 02:13 |
| greg-g | then you made a derivative | 02:13 |
| norbert_ | yes, you're right | 02:13 |
| greg-g | cool | 02:13 |
| greg-g | I mean, cool you figured it out | 02:14 |
| greg-g | not cool I'm right ;) | 02:14 |
| norbert_ | hehe, yeah, I got that | 02:14 |
| greg-g | norbert_: I'm going afk, good luck with the book! | 02:16 |
| norbert_ | thanks for all your help greg-g | 02:17 |
| norbert_ | cu | 02:17 |
| greg-g | no problem, any time. | 02:17 |
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| Sonja | hi!! | 19:54 |
| Sonja | if i'm publishing a book that will be distributed to many countries, should i use "unported" or should i use the country I'm from? | 19:54 |
| paulproteus_ | I am not a lawyer, but we recommend you to use the one for the jurisdiction where you're most likely to file a suit. If you don't know, I would suggest your home country. | 19:57 |
| Sonja | Can I license certain specific chapters of a book under a CC licence, leaving the other chapters without a CC licence and defaulting back to my normal copyright rights as the author? | 19:59 |
| Sonja | thanks paul | 19:59 |
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| nathany | paulproteus_: SYN | 20:52 |
| paulproteus_ | nathany, ack | 20:55 |
| nathany | paulproteus_: i think something in the po to cc commit hook failed... is there a way i can emulate that? | 20:57 |
| nathany | it looks like gisel's changes were committed in the PO version but not the CC version (when I do an svn up) | 20:57 |
| paulproteus_ | Eenteresting | 20:57 |
| nathany | i'm in a meeting now, just wondered if the script lives somewhere i can run it to see what happens | 20:58 |
| paulproteus_ | it's in ~svn/hooks/post-commit I suppose | 20:58 |
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| talkout | hi, i'm interested in working on a GSoC project in CC | 21:10 |
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| talkout | i'm interested in couple of ideas mention on the CC wiki | 21:10 |
| talkout | any GSoC mentor for CC here ? | 21:12 |
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