Friday, 2009-02-20

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nkinkadenathany: Did you say that a7 requires python 2.4?16:45
nkinkade(and a5)16:46
nathanynkinkade: yes16:47
nathanymore specifically, cc.engine does16:47
nkinkadenathany: I'm thinking to upgrade a7 shortly.  I'll make sure python2.4 stays put.16:48
nkinkadeThere will likely be some hopefully short disruptions of service on a7 as it happens.16:49
nathanygot it16:49
nkinkadeThe major problem on a9 yesterday was Apache, SSL and the bad config files.16:49
nkinkadeSo, I expect it go about like a6, with just a minute or so of downtime.16:49
nathanymakes sense16:50
nathanybtw, another data point in the a9 weirdness16:50
nathanyhttp://support.creativecommons.org:8080/ redirects to https://support.creativecommons.org:8080/16:51
nathanyi wonder if it's at all instructive to compare the redirection setups on cc.net and support.cc.org; maybe there's something there?16:51
nathanyFWIW16:51
nkinkadeGood idea.16:51
nkinkadeBut what's happening makes sense because we redirect any and all non-SSL traffic to HTTPS.16:52
nkinkadeWas that redirect not expected by you for some reason?16:52
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nathanynkinkade: i'd expect a redirect, but i'd expect it to go to port 44317:38
nathanyi was just thinking that maybe that port mistake was what caused the weirdness we saw17:38
nkinkadenathany: Ah.  Apparently the Apache variable %{HTTP_HOST} includes the :<port>, which I was using for the redirect for support.  It works as expected now.17:45
nkinkadeI have also combined the http and https vhosts for support and CC Net into single vhost files.17:46
nathanycool17:46
nkinkade(with 2 vhosts in each file)17:46
nathanyso that was the problem, then?17:46
nathanyah17:46
nkinkadeApparently so.17:46
nathanynevermind17:46
nathanyoh, ok :)17:46
nkinkadeI asked on #apache and got the normal "ssl vhost" reply17:46
nkinkadeA couple people said that the old config was invalid, but couldn't explain why it was working fine on 2.2.3.17:47
nkinkadeI suspect you were right, that Apache decided to not passively allow bad configs.17:47
nkinkadenathany: Re a9 and mysql passwords, did you have a change to look at that?17:48
nathanynkinkade: haven't yet17:54
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nathanyBovinity: http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/19:40
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nkinkadenathany: Ignore the ccMixter warning.20:16
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nkinkadenathany: I'm going to hold off till Monday to upgrade a7, just FYI.21:44
nathanygreat21:44
nathanyer, ok21:44
nathanywhatever :)21:44
nkinkadeI didn't get to it today and I'm heading visit my cousin in 1.5 hours, and don't want to get myself into a bind if the whole thing blows up.21:44
nkinkade:-)21:44
nathanysounds like a sensible approach :)21:45
nkinkadeIt's a bit of a self-serving approach, but it's working now, so no harm in letting hum along till Monday. :-)21:46
nathanynkinkade: i've found that self serving often nicely overlaps with sensible and org serving :)21:47
paulproteusEh, seven.21:50
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paulproteusnathany, nkinkade, Jane wants to toy with the skin that White Whale made, and it is PHP.21:55
nkinkadeAnd .. ?21:55
paulproteus(Working on it; was interrupted by rejon)21:55
paulproteusSo that she can try out some changes (and show it off to people coming to visit next week), I think she ought to have an account on one of the servers that runs PHP.21:56
paulproteusThat, or I could set up PHP on her laptop, but making her an Apache sysadmin doesn't sound like the best plan to me.21:56
paulproteusMy question is, (a) does this pass a sanity-check, and (b) what machine should I giver her the account on?21:57
nathanyso just giving her an account on labs and a public_html directory?21:57
paulproteusYa.21:57
nathany(does she know php?)21:57
paulproteus(No, but she can hack HTML and ignore PHP.)21:57
nathanysounds sane, one question; if she can ignore the PHP, is it doing anything useful?21:57
nathanyie, is saving with .html enough?21:57
nkinkadepaulproteus: Are you expecting her to use a shell and nano?21:58
paulproteusnkinkade, No, I'd teach her an FTP client or something.21:58
nathanyassuming you mean SFTP, great :)21:59
nkinkadeThen we'd need to setup an FTP server.21:59
nkinkadeYeah, what nathany said.21:59
paulproteusTurns out many "FTP clients" do SFTP these days.21:59
paulproteusI meant from a UI perspective, not from a protocol perspective.21:59
nkinkadeThat sounds right.21:59
nathanyso renaming is not enough then?21:59
paulproteusI'll investigate that now, nathany.22:00
nkinkadepaulproteus: I have no problem with that really.22:00
nathany(i haven't seen the files, not sure how much/why they need PHP)22:00
nathanygreat22:00
nkinkadeIt's a Mediawiki thing right?22:00
nkinkadeIf so, those theme/skin files are a horrid mess of PHP and HTML, it's truly heinous.22:00
nathanynkinkade: the result will be MW22:01
nkinkadeGreat, another wiki, just what we need. :-)22:02
nathanythey created what appeared to be basic HTML as their work product (that we're translating)22:02
nathanydon't worry, it's already created22:02
paulproteusnkinkade, This will replace the CC Learn Community wiki, so it's not quite another wiki.22:05
paulproteusnathany, The sliding bar at the bottom requires PHP.22:05
nathany*really*?22:05
nathanyi thought it was just javascript22:05
nathanythat's... distasteful22:06
paulproteusIt's actually just HTML inclusion.22:06
nathanyoh22:06
paulproteusiirc22:06
paulproteusSo it's not too bad.22:06
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nkinkadepaulproteus: If you create Jane an account, perhaps you could make an scponly one.22:13
nkinkadeThat's what I did for Michelle a long time ago and it works well for her.22:14
nkinkadeIt's not chrooted, so it's probably not terribly more secure, but it feels a little better.22:15
paulproteusnkinkade, Turns out I'll just have Jane edit the CC Learn community wiki, so no need for the shell.22:25
paulproteusShe'll just edit text and wait for me to make the design.22:25
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paulproteusnathany, FYI those image path issues are resolved and I'm going to deploy this crazy alpha thing on the community wiki now.23:00
Bovinitynkinkade: why does bash tab completion not work on a9? is it me?23:01
Bovinitynkinkade: "cd /var/www/su-sh: <( compgen -d -- '/var/www/su' ): No such file or directory"23:01
paulproteusI doubt it's you. I vaguely recall having seen this on other Debian systems.23:06
nkinkadenathany: paulproteus: By the way, a5 hasn't had a problem in a while, it would appear that the change to FCGI was good.  Thanks for that.23:06
nathanythank paulproteus :)23:07
nathany("thanks, paulproteus")23:07
nkinkadeBovinity: I don't know, let me see if I have that problem on a9.23:07
paulproteusAww, you're velcome.23:07
paulproteusThank the author of Chinese FastCGI!23:07
paulproteusAlso, me, I suppose.23:07
paulproteus(-:23:07
nkinkadeBovinity: tab completion works okay for me on a9, and it also works for me when I do: sudo su - alex23:08
nkinkadeBovinity: could it have something to do with your terminal application?23:08
paulproteusnkinkade, I doubt it, fwiw.23:08
Bovinityhm, works fine when i load another bash23:09
paulproteusBovinity, But moving your .bashrc and .bash_profile out of your home for a bit and see if it works?23:09
paulproteusI would guess it's profile-but-not-bashrc related if it only fails for a login shell.23:09
paulproteusI love Chinese FastCGI. It's ruthless.23:09
paulproteusAnd it has such a fantastically bad website.23:09
Bovinity(also works fine when i "bash -l" into a login shell...)23:10
nathanypaulproteus: btw, i meant to ask, is there a debian package?23:10
* Bovinity shrugs. nevermind then.23:10
nathany(lib-apache2-mod-chinese-fcgi?)23:10
paulproteuslibapache2-mod-fcgi. They don't emphasize the "Hacked by Chinese" part, but that's oh-so-crucial for me.23:11
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paulproteusMaybe it's just because I have fond memories of the Code Red worm <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Red_worm>.23:12
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