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| hdworak | hi | 09:55 |
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| hdworak | "paulproteus: Yes, yes, it's all good, we can pat ourselves on the back, but you should write your proposal and I should code some other stuff anyway. (-: " | 10:44 |
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| hdworak | ok, it seems about 35 kB of logs are relevant | 11:44 |
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| luisv | is this the backchannel? | 11:45 |
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| luisv | or is it elsewhere? | 11:45 |
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| paulproteus | luisv, This is an ok backchannel, but note it's logged. | 11:45 |
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| paulproteus | The interns have their own backchannel in #ccinterns. | 11:45 |
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| luisv | my life is logged-y | 11:45 |
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| paulproteus | I don't mind it being logged. (-: | 11:45 |
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| luisv | hey, BrianHP | 11:46 |
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| BrianHP | And there we go. | 11:46 |
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| paulproteus | (-: | 11:46 |
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| luisv | hrm | 11:47 |
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| luisv | need to get the EFF interns in here | 11:47 |
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| paulproteus | Agreed | 11:47 |
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| mecredis | \/join #eff | 11:47 |
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| mecredis | haha, no escapement | 11:47 |
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| paulproteus | Man, I should really be eavesdropping on the wifi. | 11:50 |
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| paulproteus | Oh, well, I'll let someone else get all the passwords. | 11:50 |
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| paulproteus | BTW, ettercap is nice, all, and tcpflow is pretty cool too. | 11:50 |
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| paulproteus | Is this work vegan? | 11:52 |
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| mecredis | haha | 11:52 |
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| mecredis | what about drift net | 11:52 |
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| paulproteus | (-: | 11:52 |
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| greg-g | play nice paulproteus | 11:53 |
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| * paulproteus frowns | 11:53 |
| luisv | doing that at conferences is always good ;) | 11:53 |
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| rejon | weak | 11:53 |
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| paulproteus | wheat | 11:53 |
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| luisv | no attribution URL? | 11:53 |
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| rejon | whoa, caterina and stewart leaving flickr...bad timing for today ;) | 11:53 |
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| luisv | nah, they'll just go start something else up ;) | 11:54 |
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| BrianHP | interesting side-note: apparently even if copyright has lapsed in country-of-origin, you can still file commonlaw copyright claims in the US (assuming the work was published before 1972). So jurisdiction is fuzzy. | 11:54 |
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| paulproteus | luisv, Probably better with a projector | 11:54 |
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| paulproteus | Hmm, I have access to a project for five minutes during my talk... | 11:54 |
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| luisv | paulproteus: certainly best with a projector | 11:54 |
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| paulproteus | *a projector* | 11:55 |
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| luisv | BrianHP: well, and you've got the problem of the jurisdiction of the author v. the jurisdiction of the user | 11:55 |
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| rejon | http://www.mercurynews.com/businessheadlines/ci_9620819 | 11:55 |
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| luisv | (with the practical reality that most consumer/users are effectively judgment-proof, esp. in a trans-jurisdiction context) | 11:55 |
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| BrianHP | luisv: true. also, it mostly relates to sound recordings. | 11:55 |
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| BrianHP | but regardless, it implies that "jurisdiction" isn't quite so clear-cut as we'd like it to be. but not sure if that's fixable on any level other than the legislative. | 11:57 |
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| luisv | once you're talking about jurisdiction in that way the only level that can fix it is UN-level | 11:58 |
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| luisv | which is one of the reasons I prefer the GPL-style no-porting approach | 11:58 |
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| paulproteus | and loathes | 11:58 |
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| luisv | porting the licenses smells of lawyers trying to fix a theoretical problem that is unfixable | 11:58 |
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| luisv | but I've ranted about that before ;) | 11:58 |
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| paulproteus | luisv, That's what lawyers do! | 11:59 |
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| * paulproteus hides | 11:59 |
| luisv | paulproteus: which is why we should all be glad that RMS is not a lawyer | 11:59 |
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| BrianHP | rant and flap our hands ineffectually? why yes, it's what you learn 1L year, right after torts. | 11:59 |
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| nathany | ftobia: greg-g: Steren: et al: can you categorize live blog posts in the "techsummit" category? | 11:59 |
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| nathany | lol | 11:59 |
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| luisv | and that one of his split personalities is very pragmatic | 11:59 |
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| ftobia | nathany: sure thing | 12:00 |
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| luisv | I mean, I love Larry and all | 12:00 |
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| luisv | but the sooner CC is run and dominated by content producers, rather than lawyers, the better for everyone | 12:00 |
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| luisv | (he knows this, of course) | 12:00 |
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| mlinksva_ | i agree with everything luisv says, though i haven't read any of this. is that deniability? | 12:00 |
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| luisv | haha | 12:00 |
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| luisv | we need to get mike carroll and jamie in here | 12:00 |
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| luisv | does joi even do irc anymore? | 12:00 |
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| luisv | there used to be #joi | 12:00 |
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| paulproteus | luisv, Every few months he comes back to #joiito | 12:01 |
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| rejon | i agree with luisv: preaching to the choir luisv...speak up more! | 12:01 |
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| BrianHP | sanity check for my benefit, if y'all don't mind: basically css-style divs for content, not just form? | 12:01 |
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| luisv | rejon: sure... just give me a job :) | 12:01 |
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| paulproteus | BrianHP, Well, we'll see if CSS is enough (-: | 12:01 |
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| rejon | luisv: i've tried, but you weren't done with law school! | 12:01 |
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| * paulproteus secretly knows the answer | 12:01 |
| luisv | BrianHP: it's not quite content | 12:01 |
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| luisv | BrianHP: it describes a quality of the content | 12:01 |
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| luisv | aka, the license | 12:01 |
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| rejon | luisv: if you were avail., i'd give a kidney to have you at cc ;) | 12:02 |
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| luisv | hrm, that might not be quite right either | 12:02 |
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| rejon | ok, maybe my coffee | 12:02 |
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| nathany | rejon: i have a tub of ice @ the office | 12:02 |
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| luisv | nathany: you're very prepared | 12:02 |
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| nathany | i try | 12:02 |
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| rejon | yes, its part of the cc hazing ;) | 12:02 |
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| nathany | you never know when you'll get to take one of rejon's kidneys | 12:02 |
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| rejon | but, they are nearly shot, so maybe bluebook value low | 12:03 |
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| BrianHP | kidneys or liver? | 12:04 |
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| luisv | BTW, I am microblogging this at http://identi.ca/tieguy | 12:04 |
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| nathany | isn't that just hair splitting? ;) | 12:04 |
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| JoiIto | anyone have a spare USB cable to connect my camera to my computer? | 12:05 |
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| paulproteus | JoiIto, yeah, one sec | 12:05 |
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| JoiIto | thnx | 12:05 |
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| mlinksva_ | i want to kick the dog | 12:05 |
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| JoiIto | no more coffee for you mikey | 12:05 |
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| BrianHP | That's mean. you want to TAG the dog. | 12:05 |
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| paulproteus | mlinksva_, lol... | 12:05 |
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| JoiIto | ?def mlinksva_ is a dog kicker | 12:06 |
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| jibot | mlinksva_ is a dog kicker | 12:06 |
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| luisv | sigh | 12:06 |
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| paulproteus | ?karma luisv | 12:06 |
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| jibot | luisv has 0 points | 12:06 |
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| JoiIto | RDFa++ | 12:06 |
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| JoiIto | ?karma RDFa | 12:06 |
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| jibot | RDFa has 1 point | 12:06 |
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| nathany | dog_tagging++ | 12:06 |
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| nathany | ;) | 12:06 |
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| mlinksva_ | ++RDFa | 12:07 |
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| mlinksva_ | ?karma RDFa | 12:07 |
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| jibot | RDFa has 1 point | 12:07 |
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| mlinksva_ | awwww | 12:07 |
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| rejon | whoa, http://identi.ca/tieguy | 12:07 |
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| rejon | too bad no evan here :( | 12:07 |
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| luisv | oh, yeah, I was about to say that | 12:07 |
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| luisv | yeah, definitely too bad no evan | 12:08 |
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| mlinksva_ | he could have sent us some vino | 12:08 |
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| nathany | painstaking detail, even | 12:08 |
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| luisv | need the mountain view travel guide | 12:08 |
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| luisv | sigh | 12:08 |
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| luisv | RDFa is so elegant | 12:08 |
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| * paulproteus swoons | 12:08 |
| luisv | and yet the bootstrapping problem is such a bitch | 12:09 |
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| JoiIto | We should have the next meeting in Dublin | 12:09 |
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| luisv | I am always in favor of meeting in dublin | 12:09 |
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| rejon | oh great, getting emails from my dad's lame friends to try and get tickets to olympics through my chinese family! | 12:09 |
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| luisv | I hate it when I recognize people at conferences and have no idea where or how I recognize them | 12:10 |
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| rejon | tickets start at 10K...oops, wrong window...not identi.ca | 12:10 |
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| luisv | no virginia today, BTW? | 12:10 |
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| mlinksva_ | deprecated urls here | 12:10 |
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| paulproteus | shhh | 12:11 |
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| paulproteus | No one mention "url vs. uri" | 12:11 |
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| luisv | mlinksva_: you're very pedantic | 12:11 |
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| luisv | mlinksva_: have you ever considered law? | 12:11 |
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| nathany | luisv: we're in california, not virginia; geography not required for lawyers? | 12:11 |
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| mlinksva_ | absolutely not | 12:11 |
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| mecredis | does anyone consider using purl a normative decision? | 12:12 |
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| luisv | nathany: rutledge | 12:12 |
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| mlinksva_ | otoh the lawyers i've talked to so far today were fine with being the "last" patent and copyright lawyers | 12:12 |
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| mlinksva_ | i can be on board with that | 12:12 |
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| paulproteus | Live Nude Lesbians | 12:12 |
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| luisv | mlinksva_: the lawyers you've talked with today are a distinctly unusual minority | 12:12 |
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| luisv | mlinksva_: not to mention they are tenured ;) | 12:12 |
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| BrianHP | mlinksva_: because lawyers supposedly exist to fix problems, and it'd be great if there were no more problems :) | 12:12 |
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| nathany | live demo -- this trick never works | 12:12 |
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| mlinksva_ | not the ones i'm thinking of | 12:13 |
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| rejon | great picture ben! | 12:13 |
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| mlinksva_ | but minority nonetheless | 12:13 |
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| rejon | see, mlinksva_ this is just *like* twitter here ;) | 12:13 |
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| luisv | yeah | 12:13 |
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| luisv | twitter is IRC without all the irritating 'interaction' | 12:13 |
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| mlinksva_ | someone ask him about hash vs slash | 12:13 |
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| luisv | oh, and better logging | 12:13 |
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| rejon | ... | 12:13 |
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| BrianHP | and 100% less whining about "why is it down?" | 12:14 |
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| luisv | dunno, you've never had your company depend on IRC and then have it go down ;) | 12:14 |
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| nathany | luisv: experience speaking? | 12:14 |
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| BrianHP | amortize it over the duration of downtime? | 12:14 |
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| luisv | nathany: indeed ;) | 12:14 |
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| * paulproteus is working on that, luisv | 12:14 |
| nathany | (and no, no rutledge today) | 12:14 |
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| luisv | hrm | 12:15 |
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| luisv | interesting | 12:15 |
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| luisv | so what does the CC anti-DRM language say, exactly? | 12:15 |
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| luisv | how does it define DRM? | 12:15 |
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| * luisv is rusty | 12:15 |
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| rejon | luisv: this is a technical conference, not a "special counsel" conference | 12:15 |
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| paulproteus | luisv, Technology that prevents using the license-granted freedoms | 12:15 |
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| paulproteus | That's a summary; you can read the full legal code (-; | 12:15 |
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| mlinksva_ | i have a post on that http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/8080 | 12:15 |
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| mlinksva_ | When You Distribute or Publicly Perform the Work, You may not impose any effective technological measures on the Work that restrict the ability of a recipient of the Work from You to exercise the rights granted to that recipient under the terms of the License. | 12:16 |
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| paulproteus | http://creativecommons.org:8080/weblog/entry/8080 | 12:16 |
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| luisv | ah, effective technological measures | 12:16 |
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| luisv | well done | 12:16 |
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| luisv | doh | 12:16 |
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| rejon | ah...my love for irc has increased +100...tech conf. right? | 12:16 |
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| bovinity | peanut gallery | 12:17 |
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| luisv | rejon: jamie boyle != technologist | 12:17 |
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| luisv | ;) | 12:17 |
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| luisv | I mean, last I checked | 12:17 |
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| paulproteus | $jamie_boyle \not \in technologists$ | 12:17 |
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| rejon | is his the channel where when I talk, I can get fired? | 12:18 |
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| rejon | s/his/this/ | 12:18 |
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| paulproteus | That "extra link" is now enabled by default, so you don't have to click. | 12:18 |
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| nathany | rejon: yes | 12:19 |
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| paulproteus | FOADster | 12:19 |
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| JoiIto | ?dev loaf | 12:19 |
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| luisv | hey, wseltzer | 12:19 |
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| JoiIto | ?def loaf is http://loaf.cantbedone.org/ | 12:20 |
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| jibot | loaf is the xml schema you desire & and that is not true & you may read more here: http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~pvg/loaf.txt & kung-fu also & has an offical wiki at http://postneo.com/postwiki/moin.cgi/LoafHome & Loaf Of A Friend & the new orange button & a collective pain in the royal ass & loaf makes brittabot emit a 'hehe' & slang & http://loaf.cantbedone.org/ | 12:20 |
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| wseltzer | thanks luisv | 12:20 |
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| luisv | wseltzer: you don't happen to know the email addresses for any of the EFF interns, do you? they should be here | 12:20 |
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| paulproteus | lol, loaf of a friend | 12:20 |
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| luisv | (and the only one I know is the only one who didn't bring her laptop) | 12:20 |
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| rejon | jibot: ?help | 12:20 |
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| wseltzer | luisv, sorry, I don't | 12:20 |
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| JoiIto | ?help | 12:20 |
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| luisv | we'll just grab them after the talk | 12:20 |
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| luisv | shame tech talk slide decks can't be done well lessig-syle | 12:22 |
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| rejon | yah, wseltzer, I believe the room/attendance is at capacity...unless you mean the irc channel ;) | 12:22 |
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| BrianHP | luisv: is there a maximal amount of information that can be contained in a lessig-style presentation? (i.e. it has limited bandwidth?) | 12:23 |
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| mecredis | rejon, she does | 12:23 |
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| paulproteus | Christian Coalition == cc.org | 12:23 |
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| mecredis | BrianHP, depends if it is an infinite presentation or | 12:23 |
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| luisv | BrianHP: I'm not sure it works when you want to do detail | 12:23 |
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| JoiIto | ?def RDFa is at rdfa.ifo and rdfa.info/wiki | 12:23 |
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| jibot | RDFa is at rdfa.ifo and rdfa.info/wiki | 12:23 |
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| mecredis | christian coalition | 12:23 |
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| mecredis | haha | 12:23 |
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| mecredis | yeah | 12:23 |
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| JoiIto | ?def ccREL is at cc.org/projects/ccrel | 12:23 |
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| jibot | ccREL is at cc.org/projects/ccrel | 12:23 |
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| rejon | whitehouse.com | 12:23 |
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| mlinksva_ | gonze! | 12:24 |
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| luisv | mlinksva_: whoa | 12:24 |
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| luisv | mlinksva_: that is gonze? | 12:24 |
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| paulproteus | 410 | 12:24 |
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| luisv | it is indeed | 12:24 |
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| luisv | now I feel like we *have* met before | 12:24 |
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| jibot | smagdali is CTO of moo.com, amongst other things | 12:24 |
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| luisv | though I have no idea where or when | 12:24 |
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| luisv | smagdali: ! | 12:24 |
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| smagdali | hi | 12:24 |
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| paulproteus | HTTP 402 Payment Required | 12:24 |
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| luisv | smagdali: (I am giving out my moo cards like candy here) | 12:24 |
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| wseltzer | hi Steph! | 12:25 |
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| luisv | (I heart moo) | 12:25 |
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| smagdali | why thank you | 12:25 |
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| smagdali | stef with an eff. | 12:25 |
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| wseltzer | s/eph/eff/ | 12:25 |
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| rejon | cool, speaking of @smagdali, kim from moo just gave me new bbc hookup | 12:26 |
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| nathany | go david | 12:28 |
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| rejon | david on the mic! core drupal dev...WMF contractor | 12:28 |
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| luisv | (WMF?) | 12:29 |
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| DanL- | wikimedia foundation? | 12:29 |
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| DanL- | is there a place to hear the summit? | 12:29 |
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| DanL- | Wow, that was barely English. | 12:29 |
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| nathany | DanL-: nothing live -- video will be available | 12:30 |
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| DanL- | Is there a URL via which I can listen to the summit? | 12:30 |
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| DanL- | thanks nathany | 12:30 |
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| nathany | liveblogging (-ish) @ http://techblog.creativecommons.org | 12:30 |
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| luisv | DanL-: it is getting reported | 12:30 |
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| DanL- | And where is the Summet being held, for that matter? | 12:30 |
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| luisv | recorded, I mean | 12:30 |
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| DanL- | Summit | 12:30 |
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| nathany | Google Mountain View campus | 12:30 |
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| BrianHP | DanL-: Google, in Mountain View | 12:30 |
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| luisv | I'm also liveblogging-ish at http://identi.ca/tieguy/ | 12:30 |
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| DanL- | cool ty | 12:30 |
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| luisv | oops, no trailing slash: http://identi.ca/tieguy | 12:31 |
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| BrianHP | Is it ever "trivial" to determine that something looks "spammy"? | 12:31 |
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| rejon | DanL: correct on WMF | 12:31 |
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| DanL- | rejon what's david's last name? | 12:31 |
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| rejon | david strauss | 12:31 |
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| nathany | BrianHP: if i know it's hosted @ geocities it is | 12:31 |
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| rejon | not levi | 12:31 |
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| DanL- | ok | 12:31 |
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| rejon | ... | 12:32 |
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| mlinksva_ | why, why? | 12:33 |
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| rejon | i've got 10 questions ready btw | 12:33 |
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| nathany | rejon: no time | 12:33 |
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| nathany | ;) | 12:33 |
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| DanL- | Anyone know of ways to get involved with CC here in NY? | 12:34 |
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| rejon | missed the joke nm | 12:34 |
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| paulproteus | DanL-, Talk to mecredis! | 12:34 |
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| DanL- | other than him :) | 12:34 |
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| mecredis | DanL-, HEY YO | 12:35 |
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| DanL- | what's up | 12:35 |
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| DanL- | <-- dan from wikia | 12:35 |
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| mecredis | OH YOU | 12:35 |
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| mecredis | haha | 12:35 |
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| mecredis | cc Salon NYC is tenatively July 21st, btw | 12:35 |
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| DanL- | what's that? | 12:35 |
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| mecredis | I think I mentioned it when i was in there | 12:35 |
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| mecredis | just low key CC event | 12:35 |
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| DanL- | I have a bad memory | 12:35 |
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| mecredis | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Salon | 12:36 |
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| DanL- | cool, I'll calendar it | 12:37 |
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| JoiIto | He IS the Mike | 12:38 |
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| mecredis | yeah, I'd love to have Wikia do a little present | 12:38 |
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| mecredis | but we'll talk more | 12:38 |
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| DanL- | be glad to | 12:39 |
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| DanL- | sure | 12:39 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, sound more EXCITED! | 12:40 |
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| paulproteus | WHAM! | 12:40 |
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| paulproteus | RDFa! | 12:40 |
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| rejon | man, +5000 to rickroll the audience | 12:41 |
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| rejon | FF3? | 12:41 |
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| BrianHP | Hah. | 12:41 |
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| greg-g | bad rejon | 12:42 |
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| BrianHP | That is PHENOMENALLY disorienting on a big screen. | 12:42 |
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| luisv | (go GNOME!) | 12:43 |
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| luisv | oh, wait | 12:47 |
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| luisv | is that john wilbanks? | 12:47 |
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| luisv | or a different john? | 12:47 |
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| * luisv has been zoning out | 12:47 |
| bovinity | wilbanks | 12:47 |
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| paulproteus | luisv, Wilbanks | 12:47 |
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| rejon | that is | 12:47 |
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| luisv | I need to grab him about open law journals | 12:47 |
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| mecredis | hey, whats the curry in a hurry place? | 12:48 |
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| paulproteus | Mehfil | 12:48 |
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| bovinity | mehfilindian.com | 12:48 |
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| paulproteus | Hello LeahMacbook. | 12:48 |
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| LeahMacbook | hiya | 12:49 |
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| BrianHP | Why can't everyone just go by the arxiv.org route | 12:50 |
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| parkerhiggins | benadida: that was really good, thank you! | 12:50 |
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| benadida | parkerhiggins: you're welcome! | 12:50 |
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| rejon | 45 ppl in here...new high! | 12:52 |
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| rejon | and it ain't even 420 | 12:52 |
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| mecredis | benadida, I just did my thesis based on Semantic Media Wiki, so I got into making people drink the RDF koolaid | 12:52 |
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| * paulproteus is proud to have helped with that | 12:52 |
| mecredis | which is why I brought up the query point | 12:52 |
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| rejon | mecredis: url to your thesis | 12:52 |
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| rejon | ? | 12:53 |
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| mecredis | www.causecaller.com | 12:53 |
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| mecredis | http://www.causecaller.com/about.php for the Asheesh credit | 12:53 |
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| mecredis | go SPARQL | 12:53 |
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| * paulproteus opens just that page | 12:53 |
| greg-g | I saw parens, was that lisp? | 12:53 |
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| mecredis | no, its sparql | 12:53 |
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| parkerhiggins | did anyone catch the google maps of the brain scan url? | 12:54 |
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| greg-g | parkerhiggins: way too long/weird | 12:54 |
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| mecredis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARQL | 12:54 |
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| BrianHP | No URL shown, just screencaps | 12:54 |
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| paulproteus | (apply $'sparql data) | 12:54 |
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| paulproteus | (apply #'sparql data) | 12:54 |
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| paulproteus | (typo) | 12:54 |
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| greg-g | mecredis: thanks | 12:54 |
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| parkerhiggins | i thought there was a url across the bottom. | 12:54 |
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| BrianHP | Might have missed it | 12:54 |
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| greg-g | parkerhiggins: there was, with @s *s and numbers | 12:54 |
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| parkerhiggins | greg-g: i thought so. no wonder i didn't get it all done | 12:54 |
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| parkerhiggins | down, rather | 12:55 |
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| wseltzer | "there are these things called people that want to feel awake but don't want to feel jittery" :) | 12:55 |
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| rejon | mecredis: paper too? | 12:55 |
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| BrianHP | that seems...optimistic. Is RDFa/etc./etc. really inevitable? Seems to be an activation energy for these things, like a critical mass of sufficiently "important" web pages using them. | 12:55 |
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| mecredis | rejon, you really want it? | 12:56 |
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| mecredis | its horrid | 12:56 |
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| mecredis | watch the presentation and then decide | 12:56 |
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| mecredis | http://causecaller.com/wordpress/?p=10 | 12:56 |
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| rejon | mecredis: thanks :) | 12:56 |
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| parkerhiggins | BrianHP: I think what he said about the "important" web pages that produce html that people already insert in their pages (the Youtubes and CMSs) might tip it over | 12:56 |
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| paulproteus | + Flickr | 12:57 |
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| djdevvydev | Flickr alone would do it | 12:57 |
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| DanL- | hey mecredis got any ideas for bloggers who would be interested in writing about http://heroreports.org ? | 12:57 |
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| paulproteus | (I can dream) | 12:57 |
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| mecredis | ah, I got interviewed ofr that last week | 12:57 |
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| parkerhiggins | oh yeah, i forgot flickr. flickr is big too, of course. | 12:57 |
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| parkerhiggins | imeem could be good, right? | 12:57 |
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| DanL- | mecredis you did? | 12:57 |
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| DanL- | for NPR? | 12:57 |
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| mecredis | nah | 12:57 |
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| mecredis | for HR | 12:57 |
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| mecredis | I hung out with Aaron's sister | 12:58 |
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| mecredis | heh | 12:58 |
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| DanL- | ah cool | 12:58 |
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| nathany | "some interest" | 12:58 |
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| mecredis | I can haz JPEG | 12:58 |
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| wseltzer | I prefer FLAC | 12:59 |
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| rejon | quick, get paulproteus a computer | 12:59 |
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| mecredis | JoiIto, that's not the lens I was thinking of | 12:59 |
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| parkerhiggins | wseltzer: do you really listen to flac regularly? | 12:59 |
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| wseltzer | parkerhiggins: absolutely. I've ripped my entire collection to flac on my mythtv system | 13:00 |
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| parkerhiggins | nice. | 13:00 |
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| wseltzer | after all, I never wanted to have to swap all those CDs again! | 13:01 |
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| rejon | http://creativecommons.org/projects/liblicense (even a url slide?) | 13:01 |
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| parkerhiggins | you said you're on ubuntu before, did you rip in rubyripper or what? | 13:01 |
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| mecredis | unfortunate amibiguity: http://www.library.yale.edu/~llicense/index.shtml | 13:01 |
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| wseltzer | abcde, modified to put in my metadata choices | 13:01 |
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| mecredis | I want to see some sexy CLI | 13:02 |
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| wseltzer | (and to combine multi-movement pieces into a single track) | 13:02 |
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| mecredis | haha what a weird quit message | 13:02 |
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| DanL- | mecredis you think heroreports is something boingboing would be interested in? | 13:02 |
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| BrianHP | If you view quitting as escaping? | 13:02 |
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| mecredis | sure | 13:02 |
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| mecredis | just write it up and make it punchy | 13:03 |
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| mecredis | and you have a shot | 13:03 |
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| DanL- | if it were my thing, I would haha :) | 13:03 |
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| BrianHP | Hmm...something's weird with heroreports on Safari | 13:03 |
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| DanL- | I'll try for her | 13:03 |
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| mecredis | wooo | 13:03 |
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| * mecredis cheers | 13:03 |
| BrianHP | http://skitch.com/briancanfly/p64t/hero-reports | 13:04 |
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| hdworak | http://communia-project.eu/communiafiles/ws01p_ccREL%20The%20Creative%20Commons%20Rights%20Expression%20Language.pdf, p. 3, misspelling "an so on" | 13:06 |
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| DanL- | BrianHP yeek | 13:12 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 13:14 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: as all creative commons' licenses require an attribution - should the validator raise a warning when it finds license information w/o attribution information? | 13:18 |
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| paulproteus | packages.debian.org/liblicense | 13:20 |
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| paulproteus | wseltzer++ # mythtv | 13:21 |
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| paulproteus | mecredis, Yeah, but we have more PageRank than those guys. | 13:21 |
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| paulproteus | (re: yale.edu liblicense) | 13:21 |
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| mecredis | right | 13:21 |
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| mecredis | uh | 13:21 |
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| mecredis | maybe not? | 13:21 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, It would be nice, more like a suggestion, not a warning. | 13:21 |
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| mecredis | : /. | 13:21 |
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| mecredis | tea leaves | 13:21 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: does cc:morePermissions expect a License description (valid RDF) or even a text/plain file? | 13:22 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, It expects just a URL/URI. | 13:22 |
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| hdworak | no matter what the content, so that the validator does not analyse it? | 13:22 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, I don't understand your question. | 13:23 |
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| paulproteus | bovinity, What target do you think? | 13:23 |
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| paulproteus | target="more_info_from_cclearn" ? | 13:23 |
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| paulproteus | target="_new" or something? | 13:24 |
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| bovinity | _top i guess | 13:24 |
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| paulproteus | target="_top" sounds good. | 13:24 |
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| paulproteus | "We put the data in the file" | 13:25 |
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| paulproteus | except when we don't | 13:25 |
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| paulproteus | c.f. XMP sidecar | 13:25 |
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| djdevvydev | can someone provide a quick list of which file formats allow XMP? (or is he about to?) | 13:26 |
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| paulproteus | He probably will, but think JPEG plus the Adobe apps. | 13:26 |
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| paulproteus | PDF, Photoshop | 13:26 |
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| djdevvydev | i know various image file formats (PDF, PSD, JPG) | 13:27 |
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| djdevvydev | anything else? ANY other media other than 2D image stuff? | 13:27 |
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| djdevvydev | ANY time-based formats? | 13:27 |
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| paulproteus | Like movie files? | 13:27 |
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| paulproteus | I don't know, my guess is the Adobe movie stuff . | 13:27 |
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| djdevvydev | or audio | 13:27 |
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| mecredis | Premier Project files?? | 13:27 |
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| hdworak | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/XMP_Implementations | 13:27 |
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| djdevvydev | #hdworak, thanks. | 13:28 |
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| mecredis | I <3 the ARR on the bottom left of his slides | 13:28 |
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| paulproteus | Also CC isn't just "non-commercial" | 13:28 |
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| mecredis | well maybe not ARR | 13:28 |
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| paulproteus | Though this goes back to what JoiIto was saying at the start. | 13:28 |
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| mecredis | yes | 13:28 |
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| mecredis | which was well put | 13:28 |
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| paulproteus | Hey, I've made Custom Panel! | 13:29 |
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| hdworak | one pastes an URL to the work, the validator downloads the URL and starts analysing it; when it spots a URL to the license inside; does it start to analyse the license URL itself (by downloading it and analysing it contents) or does it simply look-up whether it matches predefined cc's licenses URLs or not; if it matches, it displays information about the particular license, but does not retrieve it in order to do it - the information about various license | 13:29 |
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| hdworak | an URL = a URL | 13:29 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, Looks it up in a local pile of RDF files | 13:29 |
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| mecredis | how does XMP <=> RDFAa ? | 13:30 |
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| mecredis | that question might be a category mistake | 13:30 |
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| paulproteus | They're both ways of encoding RDF. | 13:30 |
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| djdevvydev | um, I think XMP expresses RDF triples in RDF/XML ... is that right? | 13:30 |
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| hdworak | RDFa is for XHTML | 13:30 |
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| paulproteus | That's exactly the point I should have tried to make in my talk - liblicense reads from files what slick browsers read from the web. | 13:30 |
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| luisv | XMP is in-file, right? | 13:30 |
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| hdworak | RDFa can be translated to RDF triples, too | 13:31 |
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| paulproteus | luisv, Normally, yes. | 13:31 |
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| rejon | that xmp toolkit's bsd license allowed exempi to happen which allowed liblicense to happen...FYI | 13:31 |
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| paulproteus | Well, liblicense is LGPL (-; | 13:31 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: therefore what happens if someone points out to a license URL http://www.example.com/mylicense.rdf | 13:31 |
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| paulproteus | And it dlopen()s exempi so it doesn't even have to be license-compatible with exempi. | 13:32 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, One option is forget it for now, it's not a normal CC license URI at least. | 13:32 |
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| mecredis | yeah | 13:33 |
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| mecredis | that makes sense | 13:33 |
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| djdevvydev | #hdworak, the cc: namespace defines the permits/allows "predicate" and a bunch of "objects" for what can be permitted | 13:33 |
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